Question for Mike O.
 

Mike, if you would be so kind.....

When Bruce Hough and others took Homer out golfing in the late 1970's, did Homer employ a negative loft method or putter?

It seems radical to many but I have a friend who is absolutely deadly with his hands so far in front of his old Ping Anser that the face is looking down at the ground. Good greens or bad, in fact he is a superior crap green putter. Sort of a down then up type stroke, making contact above the balls equator. He is always sort of chuckling to himself too.........

New Term for the Book
 

superior crap green putter

I believe you have just coined a new highly tecnical golf term, partner. One that everyone understands, without further explanation. :salut:

UPP in stunning Ohio

Thanks UPP

My agreement with Bagger in regard to the "read before posting" forbids me from employing the terms I normally use for this guy.

Still moving in - give me a few days - when I have a chance I'll post back

He's baaaaaack....

Thanks Mike and welcome to Eastern Time Zone.

I can't tell you what method or putter Homer Kelley used when he played with Bruce, Jay and Don.

I do know that Homer Kelley would have liked the fact that your friend had a stroke that put "immediate" over spin on the ball 2-C-4, reducing or eliminating skid.

I do know that Mr. Kelley had three different putters to work with different stroke types. Specifically, the reverse lofted putter is only needed for a "true swinging" putting motion in that the face is only square at low point (at least for a straight faced putter) and that the reverse loft is therefore needed if you wanted to hit the ball above the equator at low point - in order to give the ball overspin and start it rolling right away. Since he didn't tend to putt using a true swinging procedure- I'd guess that he wasn't using a reverse loft putter for that round of golf.

Hopefully DG or Bucket will now threadjack this thread - because the power just went out and I need to head down to the freezer and check on some of my prized possesions - they don't do well when they thaw - I'll double check to make sure that my "Bucket" shelf is still empty.

However, as always - it's not so much what putting procedure you are using but rather the importance of understanding one's putting procedure in order to repeat it and correct it when necessary.

Bucket,

Stop playing with the hampster put it back on its wheel. Mikey lost power again.


Jay Perkins (Mike mentioned as Jay), GSEM and putter inventor who visits this site frequently, played numerous times wit Mr. Kelley. Maybe, on his next visit, he could shed a little light on this.

Thanks Mike

I'd have thought it would work for a linear clubhead path too, like a top spin pool cue shot. I dunno. Why not? Although my friend does have a very flat shoulder turn powered putting stroke and a horizontal type hinge. And a chuckle to himself that drives his playing partners crazy.

O.B.

Please do Jay. This is history.

If you really want an answer to "Why not?" let me know. Wasn't sure you really wanted an answer to your question.

P.S. Drew, I lit it up at Falmouth Country Club today

How low did you go?
 

What were you smokin'? Some of that Bucket hand-wrap "secret herbs and spices"?

Down the Cape
 

I expect you to go everytime you tee it up. Nice course. Haven't been there in awhile. Hopefully you took home some "pocket change".

Falmouth in Maine or Mass.?

No Im interested and it is on Topic for a change, which would be kind of new for you.......talk about biting the hand that is about to feed you.........sorry Mike.

So negative loft is only usable for a pure swing procedure? Can you start by describing a true swing for putting.

Thanks for this.

Ob

Man . . . I thought you were quitting at 1000 posts . . . . did the hair on your palms get stuck in the key board or something?

Drew . . . no more hampsters . . . Mike's matriculated to pot belly pigs now.

Dude . . you can't smoke bean pods a country club you moron . . . . did you try to go in the ladies' locker room too?

For those in Falmouth (uh huh you got confused right Mike?) . . . . if you find any pieces of duct tape with hair all over 'em . . . . DO NOT TOUCH THEM . . . call the proper authorities to dispose.

Northern Lights
 

Good point Michael! Forgot about Falmouth, Maine. Once you cross the border from Massachusetts into New Hampshire, you have hit the point of no return..."Big Foot" Territory.

Maine- nice course- Private though - so you'll never see Bucket there- they don't let 72 Vega's through the front gate.

See above - in red

Thanks Mike.

But please elaborate if you feel so inclined when you get more time. Homers three putters, negative loft, hinge actions. I know that is a big topic. But if you got it please share it.

One $200 Kayak, $200 in gift certificates in the proshop converted to ProV1x's

I updated post #20 -

P.S. Bucket is a booger head :eyes: His swing has no lower body action :golf: Next I will have his head:hang:

Thanks Mike.

My friends damnable ability to hole out from anywhere on any surface has made me wonder about negative loft. He positions the ball at or near low point id say, hits it above the equator, his putter head somewhat hovered at address, his left hand fully un cocked so it looks high , arched, his wedges set, his right shoulder powers it all but on a very flat plane. He gathers up the lag in his #3 and sustains it all the way through. He doest think about weight at all ahead of time, he just steps up to it, hangs his wedges, takes a little practice swing to feel some lag collect, not even the right amount of lag, and then away he goes. An intuitive application of lag pressure. He likens it to tossing paper balls into a waste paper basket. It seems more horizontal hinging than angled. Ill have to look more closely. A hook faced old Ping Anser, a ton of deloft and a little chuckle to himself.

We play in a local muny club championship every year. I'm normally in total shock on the super slow and bumpy greens. He on the other hand is just chuckling to himself. Draino. "Yes, sir! Chuckle chuckle"

Have you got room in your freezer for one more?

I see what's going on now- word is out that my putting sucks- and you're trying to bait me on a new technique- that is kind of you but since my putting is so bad I tried to switch to your friends stroke a couple of posts ago - haven't made it yet but I am up to 22 putter shafts broken in the effort to add significant deloft- only 87 putters to go in the barn. Let us know how you end up delofting your putter and how it works for you

Describe what a "ton of deloft" looks like? I'm assuming the deloft is created by an extreme clubshaft lean or is the putter head/face really delofted? Is the clubhead movement going down, up or level at impact? I'll try anything to putt better- while I wait for your answers I'll be three putting from 4 feet. Send the informaion sooooooon!!!

Dingleberry . . . you are now 18 posts over 1000 . . . it ain't even WINTER TIME YET . . . . I'm taking the over on 2000 by mid December . . . . welcome home my little friend.

HEY, Stalker! I see you are still "fluff" posting in order to catch the green man- ridiculous! Did they send the gold watch yet for number 3500 - told you so! This would have been a nice clean thread, professional, without your sorry little a.... Well, maybe not but let's not worry about the details and facts - afterall that hasn't stopped you in your life - say hi to the kids for me: Jackie, Johnnie, Jimbo, Allen, Rackley, Judie, Joanie, Bill, John, Fred, Walter, Georgia, Sam, Wilma, Becky, Danielle, Phillip.

Billy-Jackie, Billy-Johnnie, Billy-Jimbo, Billy-Allen, Billy-, Judie, Billy-Joanie, Billy-Bill, Billy-John, Billy-Fred, Billy-Walter, Billy-Georgia, Billy-Sam, Billy-Wilma, Billy-Becky, Billy-Danielle, Billy-Phillip.

I noticed Buckets Post Count rose from 2500 to 3500 when the website was updated.

Ya, him and Bagger are tight - he should have been banned by now. I don't want to disclose what went on behind the scenes for the additional 1000 posts - really a private matter not for discussion on a public forum.

How the heck would you know??? You were busy filling the well in your basement for the last six months before selling the house.

I'm not going to feed your fantasies with the agreement we made.

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No agreement. Carry on. :golf:

Normal Anser putter, hands ahead, level but above the equator, putter hovered, no hand acceleration just shoulder powered.

Just noticed that Medicus is offering a variation on a negative lofted putter. Didnt there used to be a negative lofted putter back in the 60's? I remember seeing a sort of Bullseye type brass putter with negative loft.

I prefer the back flange of my Anser........never misses. Im wondering if I can order one from Ping that has the plumbers neck as per usual but with the face pointing backwards.

http://www.medicuscorporation.com/pr.../overspin.aspx

The only thing im wondering about with the medicus is if it allows for variation in the level of the putter through impact?