Swinging with pressure point #2
 

Hello Everyone,

I am pretty much new to alot of the pressure point ideas, but I have been trying a swing with pressure point #2 as best as I understand it, and have had really great results, I must say to almost my astonishing surprise.

Using the idea of the last three fingers in the left hand coming down into the ball, I've had the longest and highest iron shots using this method than any other I've ever tried, and the motion is almost effortless.

As you can imagine though I don't hit it clean every time, and was wondering for those who are familiar with this method of swinging, what other swing ideas do in corporate into the swing, most importantly for accuarcy.

Would you still do a hip bump to get on plane before bringing pressure point #2 into the ball?

Would your backswing be a shoulder turn or something else?

Thanks for any help

Concentrating and delivering Pressure Point #2, you're experiencing the "Wrist Throw", a Trigger for Releasing the Power Package.

With such a Strong Left Wrist Uncocking Motion into the Ball, the Hands Swivel into the "Hinge" or they may Swivel into the Impact. If done correctly, it's effortless because Centrifugal Force is brought to bear rather than muscular effort. The Wrist Throw needs to be coordinated to bypass the "Timing issues" you're concerned with. Hip Action is most often used which creates the Triggering "Automatically". By using an Automatic Trigger, you'll prevent "Fat and/or Thin" shots.

You need "Hinging" for Accuracy. Although the Wrist Throw almost guarantees "Horizontal Hinging", it doesn't prevent Over-swiveling into Impact or Clubhead Throw-Away (Bent Left Wrist during or after Impact). If you learn to Swivel into the "Hinge" and Hinge through Impact to Follow-Through, then your accuracy problems disappear.

Good Luck. By discovering the #2 Power Accumulator, you may have opened a can of worms.


ADVICE: for reading the Book. Don't view TGM as a book of secrets. They don't exist. Rather, consider the Book as explaining what Golfers have already done for centuries.

Daryl,

Thank you very much for your reply.

From what you say it appears the hip movement would carrying the hands into the swivel, where the hands would then release into the hinge thru impact. Would that be correct?

Looking at some Freddie Couples videos it appears he could be a possible pressure point #2 swinger, and the best as many people would say. Of course I have no idea for sure, but he does have the look.

I'm a little concerned about as you say, opening the can of worms. Would you be referring to a pressure point #2 swing in particular or now that I have become aware of TGM ideas there are many possible ways to go to learning a new swing :)

Hammer time
 

check out the Alignment Golf preview where (I think) Yoda demonstrates the left wrist uncocking/hammer drill, or better yet buy Alignment Golf. It is important to understand the difference between wrist action and hand action, especially when you are executing a swinger's sequenced release. Another thing that is important to "get" is what a "Flat" left wrist looks like based on your grip type. Freddie has a gemometrically flat left wrist but it is far from visually flat.

Okie,

Thanks alot for that. I'll take a look at Alignment Golf.

Yes

Almost all Pro's are #2 Pressure Point Swingers. Fred Couples uses Double Wrist Action and a Circle Path Delivery. Do you?


I'm referring to the Fact that you can't just have a few M&M's. And once you start to benefit from a little knowledge, it's never enough. You'll want more. Then the Law of diminishing returns comes into play.

Almost all Pro's are #2 Pressure Point Swingers. Fred Couples uses Double Wrist Action and a Circle Path Delivery. Do you?

Oh yeah, well I'm going to have to find out about double wrist action and circle path delivery. Sounds beautiful..!!

double wrist action.. very neat!

Thanks for the response.

On Chapter 6, it mention that the sequence of accumulators release must be #4 first. At the top for swinging, focus on pulling and the release of #4,is this shoulder throw?

Yes. But only if you Pull with the Pivot and allow the Arm to move away from the chest. If you pull with the Left Arm (Hand Throw) it negates the Shoulder Turn Throw.

#2 PP- #2 accumulator
 

The #2 accumulator is the true velocity accumulator. I believe this to be a critical element of understanding about #2 release. Maybe the most important element.
#2 release can change #3 rhythm and must be planned from the top??

The Bear-still on vacation

This is confusing. Do you mean that the #2 release can disrupt the #3 release?

The #3 accumulator relies on the Bent AND Level Right Wrist, the Pivot and the Right Elbow Action.

The #2 accumulator is very dependent on the #4 accumulator release which relies on the Pivot. Replace your Left Arm, Hand and Wrist with a Rope. Take the Rope to the Top of your Swing with Extensor Action. Use Downstroke Shoulder Acceleration to Blast the Rope off the Chest. Where is the Left Wrist Cock? Think about it for a minute and take your best guess.

What do the Pressure Points in the Hands do?

Hitting a 7 iron 190 yards is not a strength issue. It's technique.

That explains why the smallest LPGA players hit their 7 iron the same distance as the bigg PGA guys :liar:

Well, you can make fun of it all you want. I've gone down that road for 30 years. It's Alignments and Precision. But I won't stand in anyone's way who wishes to learn that on their own.

Strength doesn't blast the #4 PP from the chest. But if you don't swing on the TSP and use EA with PP #3, then you need all of the strength you can get. And more.

I can blast a 7 iron 190 yards. I can do 10 push-ups. I can't do a single Pull-up. I do 25 sit-ups on my best day.

Speed, strength and size matters a great deal.

Sometimes, I can hit my driver 190 yards and sometimes longer!
 

Hi Daryl! Was Moe Norman a swinger? Was his technique longer than this TSP technique or shorter do you guess? Do certain techniques lend themselves to length? Accuracy? Physical builds, abilities, and disabilities? :-k

I know that your sharing your experiences are 'preciated by lots of people. :golfcart2: I read your stuff on the uncocked left wrist and when done correctly, I can carry a 9 iron almost 145 yards. :golfer2:

But, I'm obviously missing several important alignments and techniques. I have to hit a 5 wood to get 190 yards and, of course, it won't hold the green. :scratch:

It would be awesome to be able to have that ability to park a 7 iron on a green from that distance!

My hitting experiment doesn't feel as simple and as balanced as the swing to me, so I will be studying this technique in earnest. Also, my GSEB is 72 and swings so beautifully that his 6 iron goes 190. He shoots below his age, often. \\:D/

My goal is to shoot sub par for the next 20 years, with God's help, and teach a lot of kids to do even better. So, let's get to specifics! :thumright


I have been watching Alignment I since my computer had some battery power during our recent power outtages. I think of that yellow stretch band for extensor action and it feel nice and wide with great structure. How do I make that arm tension disappear though as I spin down? :dontknow: :dontknow:

Do I try to hold my right palm up as I spin down as part of the "heavy, drag the mop feeling?" Or, does the slight lateral shift/downrange shift/foot roll allow the right palm to float down in an up position? Or is it the conscious guiding of the #2 pp to the ball that keeps the left palm up? :dontknow:

Patrick

Hi Innercity,

I don't know how you made it without a computer for two days without suffering withdrawal symptoms. :laughing9 I hope everything else was ok. Not having power really makes a mess of things.

You're on the right track. With a 7 iron, it's all about hitting Down.

Moe was a Swinger. He said that his "Right Arm does nothing".

Hold your Right Palm up with a Bent and Level Wrist.

My typical 7 Iron is 160-165. I can make it go 190.

Ask Tiger if Ambien helps his game. Then watch out for Tasers.:confused1

Things get different when you have lower lofted clubs though . . . then it becomes more about maximizing launch conditions and speed. With a 7 iron you can lean the shaft and still have loft left over. The chicks don't hit the driver like the dudes . . . so it is about "talent" to a large extent . . . just like Mikey Jordan got the hops . . . and Bubba can bust it 400 yards . . . ain't no chicks sniffin' on that jumping or thumping drivers.

Correct-
Using only #2 and its residual (#3) accumulators. For short pitch strokes. Sequenced release. Note that distance can be controled by #2 pressure point acting to release #2 accumulator and this will control the rhythm of #3 accumulator. The right forearm etc. all retain the alignment but change their rhythm. #2 should not disrupt #3 because they are syncronized. #2 can add substantial velocity. When #2 pressure points are increased all elements must increase in velocity to sustain the lag. Again, pitch shots, same length stroke, only #2 and #3 accumulators, shot distance from 5-50 yards by amount of #2 pressure point.

The bear- still on vacation

Daryl, 12 piece and HB,,,I don't pretend to know what you do so I'm going to persist.
 

Very funny stuff about Tiger, D! :laughing9 The tasers would connect to my titanium hip and kill about 30 people next to me, I think.

Daryl, you said the following which I benefitted from, today:

The #3 accumulator relies on the Bent AND Level Right Wrist, the Pivot and the Right Elbow Action.

(THIS ALL HAPPENED FOR ME, TODAY, FOR THE FIRST TIME, SINCE I FIGURED OUT EXTENSOR ACTION!!!! :) )

The #2 accumulator is very dependent on the #4 accumulator release which relies on the Pivot. Replace your Left Arm, Hand and Wrist with a Rope. Take the Rope to the Top of your Swing with Extensor Action. Use Downstroke Shoulder Acceleration to Blast the Rope off the Chest. Where is the Left Wrist Cock? Think about it for a minute and take your best guess.

(POWER AND PRECISION BUT MUCH MORE PRECISION THAN POWER!! 120 YARDS CARRY WITH A PW WHICH IS 10 YARDS BETTER WITH ANGLE HINGE, HORIZONTAL HINGE IS ALMOST 130 YARDS! RUNS FOREVER,SCARY!!!)

(CHIP SHOTS, PUNCH SHOTS ARE VERY ACCURATE,I MEAN HITTING THE MARKERS SEVERAL TIMES IN A ROW WITH WEDGES TO 3 WOODS. AMAZING! :golf: )

(TURNING MY STERNUM KEEPS EVERYTHING HEAVY AND SHOTS GO STRAIGHT. WHEN I TRY TO "SPIN" THE SHOULDER QUICKLY LIKE YODA I SLICE UNTIL I PLANT LEFT HEEL THEN IT'S STRAIGHT.)


What do the Pressure Points in the Hands do?

(I TRIED SHOOTING PP# 2, THE # 3 SOMETIMES BOTH PRODUCED SAME DISTANCE. AS TO 12 PIECE'S POINT, MY 5 WOOD IS STILL ABOUT 180 CARRY AND 3 WOOD MAYBE 200 CARRY. BUCKET, ARE YOU SAYING A LONG DRIVER IS BORN, NOT MADE?)

(WELL, I WANT THE DISTANCE ON THE DRIVES AND I'M CONVINCED I CAN GET TO 250 YARDS SOMEHOW USING EXTENSOR ACTION. I'M SURE THE TECHNIQUE IS IN TGM JUST HAVE TO ID IT. I CAN SEE PAR AND I WILL DO IT, SOMEHOW. EXTENSOR ACTION WAS THE KEY TO THE MAGIC OF THE RIGHT FOREARM AND ACCURACY I NEVER IMAGINED. MY ARMS ARE SO SORE AND SO TIRED! :eyes: )

Hitting a 7 iron 190 yards is not a strength issue. It's technique.

(FORWARD! THANKS, GUYS! :golfcart: )

PATRICK

Patrick,

When I Swing a lot of balls, the only thing that gets anywhere near sore is my Left Hand. And the only thing that really gets work-out-tired is my Left forearm. Not because I am very active with the Left Hand, but because it carries the major part of the load.

When you say that both your arms get sore and tired I take it that your pivot still has room for improvement. At least if you aim for swinging.

Hi Bernt! Thanks for your insights, also, and they are always welcome imho.
 

My right arm was sore yesterday, after about 250 balls from "lifting up my left arm with my right." I pretended my left arm was a rope and stretched it like a yellow band right to my ear and kept stretching as I went down as I saw on Alignment I. By the time I got to my driver, I was beat. :crybaby:

Teaching summer school with my group is rather fatiguing. :eyes:

Which brings me to my next question for this great group of people at LBG: My driver feels so less effective than my other clubs and yet it is so crucial. Even with the courses getting hard with more roll, what are some of the techniques you folks use to maximize your drives?

I will start to vary my practices, now, and not hit quite so many chips with various clubs to get to the driver earlier in a practice. When I travel North to Minnesota, I want to take all the sheckles I can from Kevin and Jerry and then buy them dinner, as if I were a famous, accomplished golfing phenom, which is my current fantasy.

Since I cannot pay an ex wife $750,000,000 , I need to scale my fantasies wayyyyy back! :happy3:

Patrick

This sounds like Drag Loading to me. 10-19-C. Which I sense in the last three fingers of my left hand. The Pivot (not the left arm for full shots) pulling or dragging the Left Hand which is turned to the Inclined Plane down the same.

Johnny research "Startdown Waggles" by hitting the search function or check out the premium Address Video on this site. Its is the drill of drills for Drag Loading in Startdown.

You will can learn to alter your trajectory by changing your Release Point. The point at which your Left Hand Rolls off the Inclined Plane. Yup it isnt just the uncocking of the left wrist cock that distinguishes the commencement of the Release.

Check out the Release Triggers, the "Left Wrist Throw" , Automatic vs Non .... 12-2-0 Swingers pattern etc etc. See Hogans demonstration after the Shells Wonderful World of Golf Match where he describes the startdown as a "movement of the lower body".

Slide? Hell ya, with a Delayed Turn of the Hips just like Hogan. It'll "Tilt the Axis" to lower the Right Shoulder. You'll see how "saving" lots of bent right elbow for the ball (late release) is only possible if the Right Shoulder takes the bent right elbow way down plane in Startdown. Homer said we'd all feel like we were hitting the ball with our Right Shoulders. Watch Hogans shoulder, watch his slide or bump. Imagine the sensation of the dragging he must be applying to those last three fingers.

Is that what you are referring to pattern wise?

OB, after the slide, do I" fire" the right shoulder down plane?
 

I will research the thread OB, but are you saying we "fire" or consciously move it downplane or is it dragged by the slide until it just follows by itself?

Patrick

You have options, millions of them but take a look at 10-20-C SHOULDER TURN THROW. Remember you can use Release Triggers in combination. Shoulder turn throw then a Right ARm Throw for a Hitter say or (left) Wrist Throw for a Swinger.

I think that the only way the bent Right Elbow can make its way down plane in Startdown (which is a prerequisite of delayed release ) is for the Right Shoulder to take it there. If your Pivot takes the right shoulder down plane without you thinking about it great........if it doesnt you better make an effort to ensure it happens. Make an Active Shoulder Turn Throw in other words.

Once the Right Elbow extends you're into Release. The left palm comes off the Inclined Plane, the clubhead moves outside the Hands and C.F. takes over accelerating the Throw Out Action. Of course the Left Wrist Throw can accelerate this Throw Out some too. Most people just think about Release in terms of #2 Angle....... its part of the picture but not the whole picture. There a bunch of levers there all interacting with each other, especially if you employ Extensor Action which really ties them all together. A very good thing that can put the Right Elbow in charge of multiple actions.

Are release triggers in combination introducing multiple compensations?
 

Ok, OB. I'm feeling the Extensor Action (left tricep right bicep) and I am loving the RFT (Kevin/Jerry :) ). It is sooooo easy with EA. Can I use it on my putts?:laughing9 You might say that I'm feeling the love!!:dance:

(Was that too feminine? After all, I grew-up in Chicago, not a suburb. DARYL lives in a suburb and OB, are you still teaching your wife to golf? Pretty soon we will have females writing on this forum, but I digress...)

Ooops :naughty: I can use EA on my putts! (OK, no thread-jacking!)


I did this today and it helped my drive and other shots really fly! :golf:

WATCH CLUB FACE PAST STATIONARY HEAD
SOLID TRIPOD-ANGLE HINGE-EA-RFT
BRACE- DRAG SHOULDER STRAIGHT DOWN PAST STATIONARY HEAD
WATCH CLUB FACE PAST STATIONARY HEAD


There is more right arm! EA stops wobble. No need to thrust with such a solid structure. Just keep head still and the ball will go where it is aimed! :occasion: Driver can be hit on the upswing in front of front foot with smooth acceleration letting the right shoulder roll down keeping EA and right arm solid! Ball carries 10-20 yards further rolling into the woods on the range well past 250 marker.:super: :sunny: :-\" :toothy1:


The left wrist throw works better for me if I imagine my front shoulder going straight up using shorter irons and wedges.
Thanks everyone!=D>