Release
 

Does the release happen

1) before impact

2) exactly at impact

3) after impact (in the followthru)

4) it starts before impact and goes thru impact into the followthru.


Addtional questions:

What is the connection (if any) between release and lag?

What is the connection (if any) between release and delivery(position)?

Sustain the lag (until the release?)

#4, for the starting point of release.

On section 8-9, release starts at the point of release trigger and continues until impact.

This sounds like it is before impact.
The confusing thing is that Martin Hall in
[http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE_2-...eature=related
quotes Jack Nicklaus who said the release is when the distance between the left shoulder and the clubhead is at its longest - and he demonstrates this in the followthru. It seems that Homer Kelley and Jack Nicklaus - according to Martin Hall - differ in their opinion in this matter . How can that be?

Release means to set free.
If the purpose of the backswing is to buld up and store power, which probably is the same as lag(?), that should mean that the release is the time and place in the down stroke where all this stored power and lag is set free. I guess that must be in front of impact from the so called delivery "position" and right thru impact. The result of this can possibly be seen in the followthru as Martin Hall (and Jack Nicklaus) was talking about? But then it is all over, I would think - and not where it actually takes place...

Help me out here all you TGM scholars.

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There are LOTS of threads in the forum about release.

Short answer is that the release occurs before impact and finishes after. In TGM terms release means an out-of-line condition seeking it's inline state (eg. straightening right arm). The sequence with which the accumulators release is different for hitters and swingers.

Some searches should give you more detail. I recommend starting with the oldest posts first, as you'll find some really good stuff from Yoda in the archive forums.

If you find any old threads that helped clarify for you, please post links to them here so future seekers can benefit!

To be honest - I felt like drowning looking at hundreds of posts/threads, so I went for the quicker solution to take it up here once more. In addition I had the Martin Hall / Jack Nicklaus card that I thought gave it a new take?

Everything I saw in that youTube video fits into the definition I gave about our out-of-line accumulators seeking their inline position. The second half of the video is referencing a swinger's sequenced release, but he covers a lot more than that. Hitters use a simultaneous release.

If you really want to understand it all, you should do some research through existing posts. There's a lot of good stuff in these forums, and again I can't emphasize enough how good the oldest posts from Yoda are in the archive sections.

I'm looking at a lot of the old stuff, but it is a lonely business reading it by oneself over a long period of time is not the same as having a dialogue about it, which is more interesting. It's not all that is understood correctly and therefore needs to be confirmed or corrected. If nobody wants to answer - that's a chance I'll have to take.

I see "release" used in so many ways that the way to understand it is to figure out what context the writer is trying to convey. There are release types, release points, accumulator release sequences, release intervals, meanings of release that imply release is the first movement from a full loaded accumulator, meanings that imply an empty accumulator, etc. etc. This is not helpful but it is what it is in so many ways. I have no clue as to how to clear up the divergent usages.

The Bear

Ok - then I don't have to lose any sleep at night because of what I saw as a discrepancy between TGM and Hall/Nicklaus.
Thx

Hmmmm.
 

Hi Air. there are lots of hard-working professional teachers and golfers in this community. I know what my day is like with little ones and their attitudes about life. I can guess at some of the grief these folks get because I was a stockbroker for American Express many years ago.

As a broker, I had good clients and clients I fired or wanted to. Some people, with lots of coin, would trust me and allow me to research their situations and make recommendations, and pay me a fee and send other clients as referrals, paying me twice, in effect.

Some clients would always remind me of how much money their accounts were worth to me, before insulting my intelligence and work ethic. You should understand that I work twice as hard, at least, at my job, as I do my golf swing. Eventually, I would replace such clients with better, nicer people with at least as many assets.

Golf clubs are different, imho. A pro has "good clients," "steady clients," and "pains in the ass," based on my observations. So these pros on this forum are working people with all the same struggles most people face. They give us awesome gifts of insight and true golfing expertise and they ask something in return.

They ask us to try out their suggestions and learn their language. (Too bad there is not a Google Translator for TGM, like their is for Nordic languages!) Since golf is not a medical emergency, there is no sense of urgency here. This is a "long-term play." Tired, busy people, in the business talk about their favorite thing, golf, long after they suffer the trials of their business. I usually leave my job at 5pm after starting at 7am and then I don't talk about school. Wife, kids, dogs, and golf are my things after 6pm. Never work, unless I'm working on a degree or something.

So, don't get discouraged with these really fine, generous people. They are human like us and face no mandates to help us. Make a notebook. Share things that work for you with us and help us.

Everything these folks have suggested that I have tried works sooner or later and fits in the big puzzle that is my permanently unbalanced swing. (I will resist teasing Daryl at this point). I will make a trip to Mecca, soon, with God's help. If Kevin, Jerry, OB, Daryl and all the rest have been so powerfully helpful from far away,(and in MN) imagine the positive effect of going to an orthodox chapel of TGM. Sort of like going to Lourdes if you can't get to Jerusalem.

"Wait, wait.....there's a lightning bolt gleaming in the sun.....ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZSHHHZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ ....I'm sorry.....no.....just using a metaphor......You use them all the time in the parables....I know I'm not you...but I haven't gotten to single digits yet ....zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzsshhhhhzzzzzzzzzzzzzz ...and I have to beat Daryl .....no don't aim the lightning... thereeeeeeek! :oops: "

&D:

YBGF

You have taken the time to write about lessons in life and golf. That's a big subject that we will (almost) never be finished with. If we get any deeper now, we might get lost in our own thoughts.

Great post Teach.

City,
That was very insightful and even seemed to have a bit of a calming effect.
Keep up the good work at school, the range and the course.
Peace,
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