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airair 10-16-2010 07:13 AM

Alignment golf
 
I should know this by now, but it it hit me, how do I explain why alignment golf is a better concept than positional golf?

I know there isn't one perfect golf swing / method that should be the model everybody should try to learn. It might work for some, but not all.

How does one find what is best for yourself? The TGM way is to have your own machine (golfswing). But how do we find/build the machine that is best for us?

I have at least known the last 10 years that coming OTT is a bad idea. That's no position or alignment anybody recommends. But nevertheless that's what I am still doing against my own will and knowledge. Sounds stupid, but with a high hcp branded on my forehead I quess it suits me.

In such matters - how does alignment golf get rid of such problems easier than other "methods" (although TGM doesn't offer a method I understand).

airair 10-18-2010 06:10 AM

To answer my own question:

Now that the golf season (soon) is over, I don't need to use my driver - the way I always do. My knowledge of TGM is certainly not good enough to get rid of a 20 year old problem. But with some help I can use this winter building up something new. That probably means I must begin with the basic motion and acquired motion the next 4 months and do the MacDonald exercises and hope that does the trick when it's time to tee up for the longer shots in april. Who knows?
In addition I have to educate my hands - they are pretty stupid for the time being. There has to be a senSe of that the hands are leading and that lag is produced and sustained. Don't forget the FLW and the BRW and get a better understanding of the magic right forearm , extensor action and the flying wedges.. Another important point is to stop hitting at the ball on the target line, but instead hitting thru the ball on the delivery line. But all this is theory that my head can relate to, but the rest of the body seems to want to do their own thing. I guess I have to persuade the hands to listen to the head for once!?

airair 10-18-2010 08:57 PM

Any advice?
I'm not sure I can trust my own advice.

Daryl 10-18-2010 09:06 PM

You're getting there AirAir. You'll learn a lot while practicing Basic Motion for a few months. By next Spring, you'll be much improved.

airair 10-18-2010 09:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77425)
You're getting there AirAir. You'll learn a lot while practicing Basic Motion for a few months. By next Spring, you'll be much improved.

I sure hope so.
Is it possible to do the basic motion wrong? I don't know how much of the MacDonald exercises belong here. Personally I wouldn't have any weight shift in a basic motion, but like in a chip shot I would let most of my weight stay on the front (left) foot. That's very unlike a mark time motion...

Daryl 10-18-2010 09:17 PM

I think that the most important point in "Basic Motion" is learning to create and operate a Primary Lever.

airair 10-18-2010 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77430)
I think that the most important point in "Basic Motion" is learning to create and operate a Primary Lever.

Explain please.

airair 10-19-2010 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77430)
I think that the most important point in "Basic Motion" is learning to create and operate a Primary Lever.

I see that The Primary Lever Assembly is the left arm and club. So what?

Daryl 10-19-2010 08:11 AM

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Originally Posted by airair (Post 77436)
I see that The Primary Lever Assembly is the left arm and club. So what?

They Align Longitudinally with the Flat Left Wrist. Lose that and lose the Alignment. Lose the Alignment, no Rhythm. Lose Rhythm, lose Ball Control. Lose Ball Control, no Golf. No Golf......:)

airair 10-19-2010 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77437)
They Align Longitudinally with the Flat Left Wrist. Lose that and lose the Alignment. Lose the Alignment, no Rhythm. Lose Rhythm, lose Ball Control. Lose Ball Control, no Golf. No Golf......:)

Reminds me of the TV serie "Lost".

But this article is perhaps not so lost:
http://www.pgatour.com/2010/tourlife...504/index.html

He seems to know a thing or two about TGM or do others also use these expressions?

airair 10-19-2010 03:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77437)
They Align Longitudinally with the Flat Left Wrist. Lose that and lose the Alignment. Lose the Alignment, no Rhythm. Lose Rhythm, lose Ball Control. Lose Ball Control, no Golf. No Golf......:)

Thanks for pointing that out. I think it was slipping my mind.

Yoda 10-20-2010 11:49 AM

Core Concept
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Daryl (Post 77430)
I think that the most important point in "Basic Motion" is learning to create and operate a Primary Lever.

I like this, Daryl. Thanks!

For those who know, it says a lot with a little. For those who don't know . . .

Keep studying and working!

:salut:

innercityteacher 10-20-2010 01:13 PM

A famous golf teacher once said...
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77455)
Thanks for pointing that out. I think it was slipping my mind.

...(in a premium video on Address at LBG.com)...'Only those who know how much specificity is needed, can be specific enough'. Let me attempt a fine point for a change (Breathe Daryl,OB, breathe slowly).

Hi Air.

Carry the # 3 PP like you'd carry water in your hand. Carry the water to the ball. The slippery force you are carrying to the ball is a Package composed of your HANDS, club head LAG, a flat left wrist and the true PLANE LINE (6-G-0).

The LAG is alive and whispers to the holder! It says "Don't spill a drop of me. Throw all of me THROUGH the ball FULLY UP PLANE, through it's sub-atomic structure and through the 46 dimensions of life which lie beneath the ball. Don't worry, as long as you feel a part of my presence in your hand and on the # 3 PP, you will succeed!" (6-C-2-A)

You see the LAG Pressure tells you where and how to move your hands as long as your destination is DOWN THROUGH THE BALL AND UP PLANE TO YOUR EAR WHERE YOU CAN RELEASE THE WATER (LAG).


YBGF

airair 10-20-2010 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 77486)
...(in a premium video on Address at LBG.com)...'Only those who know how much specificity is needed, can be specific enough'. Let me attempt a fine point for a change (Breathe Daryl,OB, breathe slowly).

Hi Air.

Carry the # 3 PP like you'd carry water in your hand. Carry the water to the ball. The slippery force you are carrying to the ball is a Package composed of your HANDS, club head LAG, a flat left wrist and the true PLANE LINE (6-G-0).

The LAG is alive and whispers to the holder! It says "Don't spill a drop of me. Throw all of me THROUGH the ball FULLY UP PLANE, through it's sub-atomic structure and through the 46 dimensions of life which lie beneath the ball. Don't worry, as long as you feel a part of my presence in your hand and on the # 3 PP, you will succeed!" (6-C-2-A)

You see the LAG Pressure tells you where and how to move your hands as long as your destination is DOWN THROUGH THE BALL AND UP PLANE TO YOUR EAR WHERE YOU CAN RELEASE THE WATER (LAG).


YBGF

I probably don't have so much experience with Lag (have been throwing it away), but I'm working on it. Thx.

KevCarter 10-20-2010 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77489)
I probably don't have so much experience with Lag (have been throwing it away), but I'm working on it. Thx.

Our friend Jerry worked basic motion for a full winter while studying and watching Alignment Golf. It was HUGE.

Brian Gay did nothing but basic motion during his injury recuperation while working with YODA. It was HUGE.

This winter you will be able to work basic motion while watching Alignment Golf I and Alignment Golf II. I expect it will do wonders for you as well! :salut:

:golf:

Kevin

airair 10-20-2010 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 77490)
Our friend Jerry worked basic motion for a full winter while studying and watching Alignment Golf. It was HUGE.

Brian Gay did nothing but basic motion during his injury recuperation while working with YODA. It was HUGE.

This winter you will be able to work basic motion while watching Alignment Golf I and Alignment Golf II. I expect it will do wonders for you as well! :salut:

:golf:

Kevin

Sounds promising.
By the way: A lot of great stuff in your archives.

KevCarter 10-20-2010 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77491)
Sounds promising.
By the way: A lot of great stuff in your archives.

Thanks Air... the bulk of it comes from the guys that post right here!

Kevin

JerryG 10-20-2010 07:11 PM

Air,
Basic motion is like beginning to learn to walk or to swim or to ride a bike. It is probably the single most important drill you can do to arrive at striking a ball in sweet spot and getting to the point that you can count on it. Yoda says 2 feet back and 2 feet forward. 4 feet. No more than that. Anything more will just put off your improvement for a longer time.
Last winter in the basement I would do 5 sets of 20 and be lucky to come up with 10 that felt the way I wanted them to.
BE PATIENT.
Basic motion is the foundation of all things good in golf.

airair 10-20-2010 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77494)
Air,
Basic motion is like beginning to learn to walk or to swim or to ride a bike. It is probably the single most important drill you can do to arrive at striking a ball in sweet spot and getting to the point that you can count on it. Yoda says 2 feet back and 2 feet forward. 4 feet. No more than that. Anything more will just put off your improvement for a longer time.
Last winter in the basement I would do 5 sets of 20 and be lucky to come up with 10 that felt the way I wanted them to.
BE PATIENT.
Basic motion is the foundation of all things good in golf.

I realize that the basic motion is the stepping stone to the G.O.L.F swing, but I'm unsure how it in itself stops someone from coming OTT. There must be some missing links. I'm afraid that a whole winter only with basic motion in itself doesn't get rid of OTT. But who knows...? (Actually I know who knows..)

JerryG 10-20-2010 08:38 PM

Basic Motion alone, in my opinion, will teach you how to deliver the power package through the ball on the intended line. It is a godsend.
After you have become very comfortable with basic motion you can move onto Acquired Motion. I firmly believe you will begin to understand the proper alignments to deliver the power package in such away as to not do that OTT maneuver.

airair 10-20-2010 08:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77499)
Basic Motion alone, in my opinion, will teach you how to deliver the power package through the ball on the intended line. It is a godsend.
After you have become very comfortable with basic motion you can move onto Acquired Motion. I firmly believe you will begin to understand the proper alignments to deliver the power package in such away as to not do that OTT maneuver.

I hope you are right. It would certainly have been easier if I started with golf now, but I have 21 years of OTT demons to overcome...

BerntR 10-20-2010 09:59 PM

What did you accomplish from the basic motion rehersals last winter JerryG?

JerryG 10-21-2010 07:13 AM

First, I think the flat left wrist/bent right wrist concept.
Then the confirmation and focus on each of the pressure points in the hands. I found the more downward I pressured the shaft with 1 and 3, the better the compression. Like City says, "straight to China."
Then the concept of the Power Package and dumping it right down through the ball.
I think those for starters and that's without much thought. Others could very well add and of course correct me here.

KevCarter 10-21-2010 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77505)
First, I think the flat left wrist/bent right wrist concept.
Then the confirmation and focus on each of the pressure points in the hands. I found the more downward I pressured the shaft with 1 and 3, the better the compression. Like City says, "straight to China."
Then the concept of the Power Package and dumping it right down through the ball.
I think those for starters and that's without much thought. Others could very well add and of course correct me here.

COMPRESSION :salut:

airair 10-21-2010 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KevCarter (Post 77506)
COMPRESSION :salut:

Is that the same as sustaining the lag (and not throwing it away from the top?)

BerntR 10-21-2010 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77505)
First, I think the flat left wrist/bent right wrist concept.
Then the confirmation and focus on each of the pressure points in the hands. I found the more downward I pressured the shaft with 1 and 3, the better the compression. Like City says, "straight to China."
Then the concept of the Power Package and dumping it right down through the ball.
I think those for starters and that's without much thought. Others could very well add and of course correct me here.

All that is good. You found some new feels. And learned something about the geometry and physics involved.

But did you strike the ball better after doing the basic motion practice? Longer? Straighter? Better trajectory? More FIR's and GIR's?

KevCarter 10-21-2010 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 77509)
All that is good. You found some new feels. And learned something about the geometry and physics involved.

But did you strike the ball better after doing the basic motion practice? Longer? Straighter? Better trajectory? More FIR's and GIR's?

Jerry accomplished all of the above, along with his handicap dropping big time.

Air...

The "scientists" don't agree with the "Line of Compression."

I don't care what they think.

It's a personal thing. It's a feel, it's a sound, it's mystical. When you feel it, you know what it was, you want to feel it again. Without TGM, we had no idea how to recreate it... it was fleeting.

Now it's real. You can feel it, you can hear it. You can hear when others achieve it. When you don't feel it, you know why, and you work harder.

The great players shots make a different sound, can't describe it, but you know it's there...

Practice basic motion with a friend. It can make you giggle like a little girl. When you hear your partner's compression it makes you smile. You feel his joy. You know why he's smiling. I have to feel it again!

Science and art, can't have just one. Homer Kelley was a scientist and an artist. You can see it in his work. He wants us to feel what he learned. YODA wants us to feel what he learned... win a debate, who cares? I want to help people feel compression. I do it with basic motion. That's what Homer and YODA taught us.

Listen to Bobby -- THE IMPACT ZONE -- thats what it's all about!

I may sound goofy, I don't care. It is what it is, and it works in the real world.

Kevin

dodger 10-21-2010 10:38 AM

Just be careful doing basic motion with Taly, right Kev? Seriously, every time my alignments are off, basic motion brings it on back. Key is down, if you don't know whether you hit down, you did'nt. Trackman shows pga tour players hit every shot, including drivers, with the club moving downwards. Interesting what happens when that is your intent from the top of the backswing, when you swing down, not forward, no roundhousing. Nothing better after a wedge shot than walking ten yards up to recover that divot that looks like a beaver pelt.

KevCarter 10-21-2010 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dodger (Post 77514)
Just be careful doing basic motion with Taly, right Kev? Seriously, every time my alignments are off, basic motion brings it on back. Key is down, if you don't know whether you hit down, you did'nt. Trackman shows pga tour players hit every shot, including drivers, with the club moving downwards. Interesting what happens when that is your intent from the top of the backswing, when you swing down, not forward, no roundhousing. Nothing better after a wedge shot than walking ten yards up to recover that divot that looks like a beaver pelt.

LOL

That still gives me nightmares Roger!!! :salut:

innercityteacher 10-21-2010 12:01 PM

Air, if you have some spare coin....
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77508)
Is that the same as sustaining the lag (and not throwing it away from the top?)

Order one of those 'Pure Ball Striker' thingies!

Bestill en av disse «Pure Ball Striker 'thingies!

Om een van die 'Pure Ball Striker' dingetjes!

Tilaa yksi niistä "Pure Ball Striker" thingies!


Bestellen Sie eines dieser "Pure Ball Striker" Dinger!


In whatever languages you wish to use, buy one of those half rubber ball things and use it for a month or however long the sun is up on one of your nights and report back. I'm buying one next week in prep for my Cuscowilla adventure!


If the LBG folks allow it, here is some info for you!

I'm buying this thing:



The Pure Ball Striker

The PBS is adapted to be grasped by the "trigger finger", against the sweet spot plane. This allows the user to better sense the motion, grip pressure and alignment of the golf club. The PBS can be used from the shortest putt to the longest drive.

*
Pure Ball Striker

PBS on mukautettu on tarttua "liipaisinsormi", vastaan sweet spot tason. Tämän avulla käyttäjä voi paremmin mielessä liike, pito paine ja yhdenmukaistaminen golfklubin. PBS voi käyttää sekä lyhimmän putin ja pisin drive.




YBGF

airair 10-21-2010 12:08 PM

Should I buy 5 of them (one in each language) or is it enough with one?

innercityteacher 10-21-2010 12:12 PM

Buy 10, and 10 Alignment 1 DVD's!
 
[quote=airair;77518]
Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 77516)
Order one of those 'Pure Ball Striker' thingies!

Bestill en av disse «Pure Ball Striker 'thingies!

Om een van die 'Pure Ball Striker' dingetjes!

Tilaa yksi niistä "Pure Ball Striker" thingies!


Bestellen Sie eines dieser "Pure Ball Striker" Dinger!


In whatever languages you wish to use, buy one of those half rubber ball things and use it for a month or however long the sun is up on one of your nights and report back. I'm buying one next week in prep for my Cuscowilla adventure!


If the LBG folks allow it, here is some info for you!

I'm buying this thing:



The Pure Ball Striker

The PBS is adapted to be grasped by the "trigger finger", against the sweet spot plane. This allows the user to better sense the motion, grip pressure and alignment of the golf club. The PBS can be used from the shortest putt to the longest drive.

*
Pure Ball Striker

PBS on mukautettu on tarttua "liipaisinsormi", vastaan sweet spot tason. Tämän avulla käyttäjä voi paremmin mielessä liike, pito paine ja yhdenmukaistaminen golfklubin. PBS voi käyttää sekä lyhimmän putin ja pisin drive.




YBGF[/QUOT
Should I buy 5 of them (one in each language) or is it enough with one?



:laughing9 :laughing9 :eyes:

Start a LBG chapter during the 6 month long day. Let us know when the ending week is and maybe we can fly to see you and your peeps, play some golf....hang out with our new homies!


YBGF

airair 10-21-2010 01:04 PM

[quote=innercityteacher;77519]
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 77518)



:laughing9 :laughing9 :eyes:

Start a LBG chapter during the 6 month long day. Let us know when the ending week is and maybe we can fly to see you and your peeps, play some golf....hang out with our new homies!


YBGF

I have some plans that I can come back to in the near future.

BerntR 10-21-2010 03:16 PM

KevCarter,

I was certain you were shooting at me here.

I hope you'll accept my apology.

I deleted the other post.

Now, where's the head doctor when you need him. :laughing9

KevCarter 10-21-2010 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BerntR (Post 77532)
KevCarter,

I was certain you were shooting at me here.

I hope you'll accept my apology.

I deleted the other post.

Now, where's the head doctor when you need him. :laughing9

No problem my friend. Thank you for deleting the post, you are a gentleman! :salut:

Cheers:,
Kevin

JerryG 10-21-2010 05:51 PM

Air,
Kev's correct. COMPRESSION!! It is a feeling that probably should be illegal. Rarely did I ever experience it before and now I experience it frequently. I think that is what Basic Motion will ultimately bring.
Dodger is correct about DOWN. After about 50+ years of lifting the ball, or some variance of, I now try to strike down on every shot including putts, just so I do not lose the concept.
I have increased my pw from about 100 yds on a good day to 115. I've been air mailing greens everywhere, but my direction is very good. I love chipping back to the hole. I don't even care if I go out of bounds yet as long as I get compression. I am sure scoring will come.
If it helps at all, I am trying to think of the ball as a clock. The very top of the ball is 12:00 and I try to strike it at 2:00. Baby, that is down. It works great so far. It just took me a long time to get there. I have a long way to go.

JerryG 10-21-2010 05:57 PM

One other thing. I have three tools/aids that I use regularly. I use the PBS a lot. I have several and they are all quite worn.
I have a Tour Striker. I have the 7 iron and am thinking of purchasing the SW also. Kev has the SW and I tried it a little. Great tool for in the yard and not having to chase balls a long way. I hit that 7-iron so well some days I wouldn't mind having a whole set.
I have a TALY that I use for chipping, pitching and putting. It is another very helpful device.
Thanks.
g

KevCarter 10-21-2010 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77539)
One other thing. I have three tools/aids that I use regularly. I use the PBS a lot. I have several and they are all quite worn.
I have a Tour Striker. I have the 7 iron and am thinking of purchasing the SW also. Kev has the SW and I tried it a little. Great tool for in the yard and not having to chase balls a long way. I hit that 7-iron so well some days I wouldn't mind having a whole set.
I have a TALY that I use for chipping, pitching and putting. It is another very helpful device.
Thanks.
g

I agree, all really good tools... just don't bring out the Taly when our friend Dodger is around! :laughing9

Kevin

JerryG 10-21-2010 06:01 PM

You must not be working today. I should have called and met you for a lesson.

KevCarter 10-21-2010 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JerryG (Post 77543)
You must not be working today. I should have called and met you for a lesson.

I'm actually doing our men's club scoreboard on my computer and watching LBG at the same time. Don't tell my members! :) :salut:

Kevin


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