Help!!!! . . . What is "flick" . . "flicking" 10-19
 

WHAT IN THE WORLD IS FLICK . . . THE ONLY THING I CAN RELATE IT TO IS BOOGERS . . . SOMEBODY HOLLA . . .

HITTING OR SWINGING

10-19-0 GENERAL Lag Loading (Clubhead Feel) is classified according to difference in the procedures for accelerating the Secondary Lever Assembly (the Club). That is – Radially or Longitudinally – which are mutually exclusive. That is – both cannot be applied at the same time. All of which, also determines the nature of their execution – that is, Drive the one (10-19-A), Drag the other (10-19-C) or Flick either one (10-19-B) into Release. Study 7-3. This affects the Feel and emphasis of the entire motion. Especially Clubhead Lag Pressure Point participation. All must comply with the Law of the Flail in 2-K.

Drive Loading tends toward minimum Lag (the short (Compact) Stroke) – meaning contracted muscles (muscle pull). Drag Loading tends toward maximum Lag (the full (Long) Stroke) – meaning stretched muscles (tendon pull). Float Loading can be either one. See 7-20. And study 2-J-3 for Delivery Line procedures.

The above characteristics apply to Strokes of any length. If you cannot handle both Short and Full Shots with the same Lag Loading procedure, you really do not understanding Hitting or Swinging. Master first the Short Shots – where you have time for careful Monitoring per 3-F-6. Two Procedures - presented in 6-B-1-D – will help reduce excessive Arm Motion in the search for the Feel of Lag Pressure. For Hitters – substituting Extensor Action for Acceleration in both directions. For Swingers – the “Bending Right Wrist” and/or “Extensor Action Takeaway” will – more or less, as desired – snap the Clubshaft into its In-Line condition (with Left Arm) with little or no Arm Motion except what results (intentionally) from Clubhead momentum. Then use a normal Flat Left Wrist Downstroke per Pattern for both procedures – distinctly 12-1 OR 12-2. That is PUSH or PULL.

Hinge Action does NOT differentiate Hitting and Swinging. All are interchangeable – with reservations. Hitters using Horizontal Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of the Right Arm Paddlewheel Action toward Angled Hinging. Swingers using Angled Hinging must consciously resist the tendency of Centrifugal Force toward Horizontal Hinging. Both procedures require skill in Clubface manipulation per 7-2.

5. PG 192, 10-19-0, paragraph 4, last line - add "Clubface Manipulation for Swinging requires the same Grip Type as for Hitters (10-2-B) because 10-2-G offers no such precision.
13. PG 192, 10-19-0 number and caption, wrong type.

HITTING

10-19-A DRIVE LOADING Drive Loading is the “Axe Handle” technique of the “Hitter” – an out-and-out Right Arm Thrust against Clubhead Lag (Angular Inertia) striving to accelerate (radially) a Pre-stressed (Bent) Clubhshaft, from a slow Start Down through Impact. Per 7-19-1. See 2-N.

All Short Shots can be short, strong Strokes, eliminating all unnecessary motion by using only the one Accumulator (until greater distance is needed). But always –PUSH a lagging Clubhead through Impact.

Clubhead Throwaway here is due usually to over-acceleration. Use shorter Strokes and/or lower Thrust. The Stroke can be shortened per 10-15-B or by taking advantage of the fact that the Backstroke will stop when the Right Elbow becomes fully bent.

HIT OR SWING

10-19-B DOWNSTROKE (OR FLOAT) LOADING This procedure delays the Wristcock until the Start Down and completes it as specified by the Stroke Pattern Assembly Point Component. “Float Loading” also describes this procedure – especially the sensations, because the Cocking motion should not be at all sharp, but gentle, or even lazy. With a “Frozen Wrist” procedure (10-3-K) the Downstroke Cocking Action is limited to increasing the Right Elbow Bend only.

Assembly, Loading and Release are usually accomplished simulataneously, then with a Flicking action – automatic or non-automatic – continues as either Drive or Drag Loading, designating it as either 19-B/A or 19-B/C. And use corresponding Short Shot recommendations.

Downstroke Loading (7-19-2) must set up either Radial Acceleration per 10-19-A or Longitudinal Acceleration per 10-19-C for the corresponding Release procedure.

Quitting and/or collapse of the Wrist alignments and structure need special attention here for Clubhead Throwaway prevention.

Great question Buck

When we're done figuring out Flick can we also address Flip ...10-24-F ? Then we'll be in like Flint!


In regards to Float Loading ......I dont believe its just any old form of adding left wrist cock on the way down as I initially interpreted it to be. Its "gentle , lazy " and can be left wrist or right elbow loading and usually has simultaneous "assembly, loading and release". So, and I may be wrong here, but Im thinkin it aint anything like Hogan's "quick initial turn of the hips" hard loading of the knuckle and a delayed release via longitudinal acceleration and drag loading. No, its a very late , lazy load and flick . Basically to get the release point down close to the ball you gotta load way later if its a simultaneous load and release.

Yoda knows, he talked to me about this when we were watching the action at the Open last summer. Im going from memory so may have it all miscombobulated again. I think we were watching Ricky Fowler, I said "float" , he said "naw thats a slash" or something like that. Then he laid the difference between float and downcocking drag loading on me.

Yoda .....life line!

............ to move, propel, or remove something with a sharp light blow or a quick movement of the finger or hand

I basically do 10-19 B.

I usually apply a timed plyometric thrust in the down stroke. I start easy from the top. I can have almost have a lunch break there without losing any power in the down stroke.

The wrist cock doesn't increase, but the pressure does. It partly runs longitudinal through the shaft, partly at right angles to the shaft. It creates a shaft loading and unloading that doesn't work well if I play with too weak shaft flex. Depending on the shot I shift the stroke more towards driveloading & angled hinging - where I drive down and forward early - or drag loading & dual horizontal hinging where I maintain more of the pivot lag through impact.

"Flick" doesn't seem like a fitting word though.

Flick a load and throw? If you can't sustain lag pressure , you can delay it's loading .... The closer to the release point the better. Is the flick throwaway?

But how would one 10-19 B/C then? How do you flick and then Drag? I can see the drag in terms of the pulling but the longitudinal cause it must have been flicked away no?

I find this an unusual word too . . . . speaking with Eddie Cox on this one . . . not sure exactly . . . but you can drive drag or flick . . . but seems like once you flick you at that point have to immediately procede to drive or drag??? beats me . . . .

Flicking as far as my quick scan of the editions go . . . shows up first in the 3rd?

I don't flick. I try to save as much accumulator#2 as possible. PP#1 is the main target for my down stroke loading but pp#3 pressure is unavoidable. I try to drive the butt end of the club towards china or towards the ball or towards a point in front of the ball, depending on what kind of shot I am planning.

I read about Jim Furyk. He's using a double overlap because he gets a better transition. My theory of why is that it gives him extra Right Wrist bend - geometrically. This enables him to apply more pp#1 and less pp#3.

A "flick" reminds me of Fred Couples flop shots around the green. Very good but something entirely different.

Different deal . . . that couples motion you talk about is covereed . . . see Peck.

I've got to edit this a bit. Instead of Flick being a "load and throw" (away of the clubhead) , I would imagine its better to consider it a "load and release". No Storage. Although as a procedure for a clubhead tosser , throwawayer its pretty good for ensuring the clubhead doesnt pass the hands at impact.

Why did Homer list Float in 10-19 Lag Loading anyways? It would appear to me that the actual method of Loading for Float is still Drive or Drag. Hit or Swing. Its not a different method of Loading really, or a different direction of Loading, its more a variation in Storage , zero Storage. Not sure where that would fit in otherwise, maybe a special combo of 10-22 and 10-24?

I wonder if Yoda would care to comment on Float.

Yes, agreed. Pecking motion. But I believe Peck 10-3-F refers specifically to "Wrist action only".....like Arnies putting stroke for instance (although I did see Geoff Ogilvy do a little Peck chip with Vertical Hinging from a few inches off the green at the Memorial.)

So Id classify the pecking motion you sometimes see employed in a flop (with some arm motion) as 10-3-J Pause. Some arm motion going back and then intentional quitting near the ball. Basically its intentional throwaway and intentional quitting. Yoda hits these by the hours over a little bunker at Cuscowilla. Its a dangerous thing to practice for those who havent mastered total compression , as VJ alluded to in his Lob Shot video with Yoda, but for the master shot maker its a handy shot to have in the bag for extreme conditions.

There's a suggestion out there in cyber space that the TGM chipping , pitching method is not consistent with what the guys on tour are doing.........Not so! The guys who suggest that have not finished reading the book. Basic and Acquired as presented in 12-5 is a curriculum for total compression in total motion. Not a universally mandated method for chipping. No Sir. Whatever creates total compression when omitted reduces compression. You could break the flat left wrist even!

How'd I get onto that tangent? I feel like Innercity teacher here.

Nice way of looking at it. "Zero Storage". Looks like progress is being made on trying to understand a difficult to understand concept.

I agree about the peck too. Those stroke archetypes by Homer is btw a fine piece of work. I call them archetypes because I can see a lot of middle ground between them.

What you say about load and release, O.B.Left, makes a lot of sense. In terms of how the muscles are used.

I think zero storage is a far too strong word. You can do some pretty heavy work before and after the point where you try to focus all your power. But it will be far from 100% force. If you aim for a steady thrust / steady rope handling you will never reach 100% of your power.

I mentioned plyometric above. I really think the golf stroke can be made to have plyometric qualities. And I think we can see some of it in for instance Michelle Wie as she cranks her hips through close to impact.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plyometrics
If you stay reasonably composed during transition,lead hard with your lower body and try to keep up with your upper body, I would expect to see some eccentric activity running through the core. And then of course the concentric activity follows.

100% of your power in Homers world would be Four Barrel with a Delayed Release. This is the stuff of the long drive guys. So agreed , 12-1 or 12-2 wont get you there but they will be way more than adequate in terms of distance for all but a very few golfers under normal golf conditions...... that is having to find and play your tee shot.

As an aside, I dont think Float Loading 10-19-B given its "lazy" loading characteristic is really heavy in a work sense. Its maybe more about attaining the power and geometric benefits of the late hit.....for those who dont or cant Store (much) by slowing down the Hand speed and Loading close to the Release Point. I think, maybe. See 6-D-2 for hand speed and throwaway.

Thanks for Plyometrics , interesting. Im thinking its maybe more relevant to Drive or Drag. Drive given a (if employed) slow start down and sharp application of thrust through the ball, Drag given its "instant hip acceleration", the lash of Mr Hogans swing. He "down cocked" but he Stored and his was not a lazy loading so I dont think he was Float Loading as written. Not with his Driver anyways. Pitch shots in the Mexico footage.......... maybe. Random Sweep/ Full Sweep, minimizes/ zeroes Storage by design, with reduced Lag Pressure and slow easy hand speed. Grey areas .....always lots of grey areas.

And yes Michelle Wie's Hips often do contribute to some eccentric activity in my core. Not sure what that is all about.

My "guess"
 

Sometimes I find it hard to lable golf swing "things"

But

I would put "flick" outside of swing or hit so it can be labled as its own motion.

My definitions (just mine- dont get angry)

1- swing- complete pull in a rotary motion with the primary lever thrown out by cf- the pivot moves the lever out and down on plane.

2.- hitting - completely drive where linear force moves the primary lever out and down and the pivot creates the rotary motion.

NEITHER act to move the secondary lever- I bet that comment creates confusion.

3. - "FLICKING" any stroke where the secondary assembly is moved through impact by muscle force. If the force was used at top or end it would be casting but if the stroke is short/powerfull or long/slow a deliberate muscle through impact to get/keep the rhythm may be FLICKING.

Just my opinion.

PS. the only comment/problem I see with "Plyometrics" is the defining explosive application of force- which may make it a "quick and jerky movement". But I do agree with the occasion for smooth introduction of forces.

The Bear

Re plyo;


At one extreme you can "cycle" a golf swing with very even application of force - or you can "run" a golf swing with a lot of plyo. I guess most good golfers are covering the middle ground.

sorry bout that
 

sorry about my plyo ps. I think U are very correct. I should have said -plyo application to flicking. The swinger is/may be in very much the plyo mode at start down as an example. I was thinking the "flick" mode 10-19-B. I will dare to comment further. There are all these strokes golfers use where the loading is not sufficient to produce a release by "normal physics" (thats new huh?) so the club must be "upset" (not a great word- maybe assisted around is better) I think HK was thinking this way when he mentioned EA to power stroke. Putting may be an example, a BAT stroke may be an example.

Hungrybear, I think you're on the right track. "Plyo application".

In Ben Doyles DVD, he said that he uses a little "Float Loading" in every Shot. Could this be consistent with your "Plyo Appication"?

I agree.

What I do may be similar to what others are doing, only we're not describing it the same way. I think some plyo-ish action is bound to happen with a "straight line" delivery path. I don't believe there is such a thing as a straight hand path anywhere in the golf stroke but there can nevertheless be a sharp corner to turn at the end of that "line". And this quick turn will produce slowdown of the grip end of the club, ref the endless belt effect. And resisting and overcoming that slowdown will have plyometric qualities..... I think :)