LynnBlakeGolf Forums

LynnBlakeGolf Forums (http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/index.php)
-   Lynn Blake Golf / Fundamentals (http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=157)
-   -   New to TGM and Lynn Blake-Where to now? (http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8133)

ezeddie32 05-02-2011 03:11 PM

New to TGM and Lynn Blake-Where to now?
 
Let me start off by saying that I am really impressed with Lynn and the delivery he has to golf instruction. I remember about the same time last year I came across a youtube of his and was very interested, but due to a wrist injury lost touch to him and other things I was working on.

Anyway, here is where I am as a golfer:
39 yrs old, started experimenting(Use that loosely) in h school, played sporadically maybe 3-4 rounds a year here and there very little practice, didn't watch golf, no instruction or reading etc. I started to take my golf seriously about 4 years ago. I was very into Hogan, and the history of the game and since have done some reading and internet search to try to do some self-teaching and improve my game. I have gone from a 30 handicap to as low as an 8, and now am about a 12 or so. How I did this I have no idea, other than playing ALOT of golf and some practice, primarily my short game. Through trial and error and some video footage to see what I was doing more often wrong!
Examples here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ezeddie3.../4/duUnFviojoU
AT the time I was working on ridding myself of rolling my arms and taking the club too far inside in my takeaway, evidence with some of my waggles.
There are a couple of other videos in there with face on and some driver swings etc. Mind you these are from 1 year ago before I got hurt, not sure if they are close to what I am doing now.
I came across the secret in the dirt- with elkington and martinez, sevam1, and some other stuff from the golfwrx site. All of these things are great, in specific the move martinez made in his recent video.

Yet when I came across this site it's like Lynn's stuff prepares you from the ground up, no pun intended. SO now I am prepared to shred everything apart if needed to get it right and be able to really improve my game.

Having said all this I found I had a terrible grip, takeaway, footwork, balance, allignment, weight transfer, sway, flip, cast, and occasionally shank the ball, other than that I'm good! As for the short game, as you can see in my sand videos on my youtube page, probably the best thing i have going is my bunker play. The short game I'm better at pitch shots from the rough and those kind of shots than I am at chipping and tighter lies.

I can't afford private lessons right now, so I am going to stick to Lynn's philosophy because it just sounds and feels better. I watched a lot of the videos and started to mess around indoors with an impact bag and working on my grip. I spent 2 nights, w/out touching a ball non stop hitting that bag, flat left wrist leading and bent rt arm. Here is what I found out 2 things I focused on:

Old grip I can tell you this, 1-10 10 being the best I had 1 as far as my grip before. Specifically my rt hand was terrible no unison w lifeline and left thumb(PP1 I think it is), my rt hand was strong, not connected and prob too far below my left hand. My left hand was too weak and my thumb was too high on the shaft, and 3 left fingers(PP2?) was not secure throughout swing. If this makes sense I gripped the club too tight yet not secure at the same time. Last but not least my rt index was too far below and around the shaft and PP3- heck I never even knew what that was, much less felt. I can tell you if nothing else, I guess I never knew how to grip a club properly to now, never knew what it felt like. FEEL,that word is key as I am finally realizing what that really is with some of the things I'm seeing and applying from this FABULOUS forum, thanks again Lynn!!!!

Takeaway This is my biggest surprise, how off I was. 2 things that have been eye openers are club head drag and rt forearm takeaway. I was always under the impression that the rt arm was bad in the swing, back and through, my god was I wrong. I kind of feel that pull/push is the way to go, at least for now. I look at myself in the mirror while rehearsing this, and don't even recognize myself in the mirror.

Being obsessive comp. and having occasional ADD, lol that wasn't enough the last 2 nights. I started to get into, flying wedges, extensors, impact ready address, lag, the dowels, the 3 releases, mcdonald drills(don't even feel like golf- guess that's how off I am with sequencing etc.) and everything else I could find. When I finally got to the range I thought I was going to kill the ball, and the range was closed!!!! :BangHead:


I had to at least try it with the short game so I hit some pitches, initially I started to hit a bunch fat and 1 shank and was like uh-oh. Then I got into a little groove and hit it pretty consistent. Even though the range was closed, I actually hit about 6 9 iron shots with some old balls, they were all within 15 yds from each other.

IN closing I didn't bring to the range, albeit limited session, what I felt at home with a mirror and rehearsing etc.. Even though I only hit 6 balls, a bucket wasn't going to stop what I was feeling, still flipping a bit, prob losing my left arm from chest(PP1?) and terrible footwork.

Structure is not my forte, so my question is what is the proper path to get it right. It seems the more I jump from post to post it leads to something else, from reading on the hinge action, dowels, TGM book, etc. My head is spinning!!! Yet in a good way! I am versed enough and have a great grasp of this game now where I can follow very well, yet it seems I start something new before I finish another. For someone that has played for some time, and is a decent player overall is there some kind of thread that shows a detailed path so to speak.


BTW why are my ring and middle fingers in my rt hand killing me? Is that normal considering I am gripping the club totally different than before or beating that impact bag down and holding that finish- another great nugget Lynn, holding positions to let the computer digest all of that!


I would appreciate any feedback from my post or the horrible swings on my youtube page.

Yoda 05-03-2011 08:02 AM

EZ Rider
 
Welcome aboard, EZeddie, and thanks for this first post. You'll find plenty of help here: posts, video, and personal comments.

Enjoy!

:golf:

KevCarter 05-03-2011 08:24 AM

IMHO, you need to watch some key videos, then you really need to purchase Alignment Golf. It's as close to a private lesson with YODA as you will get.

Kevin

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA.../2/JcprJbJx8JQ

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA.../4/JlR13r9-EXc

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA...11/aR1MakzR69U

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA.../5/c3kaU1QxHW8


I included Mr. Murphy's video as he is a student of Lynn's, a top teacher, and in my opinion, his video covers some of the MacDonald drills that YODA didn't have time to cover in his Golf Channel Video. I believe these to be a very important part of the foundation of YODA's teaching. It took me WAY too long to figure that out, hopefully it will save you some time. Be a better listener than I was... it's too easy for us to get tunnel vision and focus solely on Mr. Kelley's great work. YODA's teaching includes so much more...

innercityteacher 05-03-2011 09:53 AM

Where in the country are you?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ezeddie32 (Post 84319)
Let me start off by saying that I am really impressed with Lynn and the delivery he has to golf instruction. I remember about the same time last year I came across a youtube of his and was very interested, but due to a wrist injury lost touch to him and other things I was working on.

Anyway, here is where I am as a golfer:
39 yrs old, started experimenting(Use that loosely) in h school, played sporadically maybe 3-4 rounds a year here and there very little practice, didn't watch golf, no instruction or reading etc. I started to take my golf seriously about 4 years ago. I was very into Hogan, and the history of the game and since have done some reading and internet search to try to do some self-teaching and improve my game. I have gone from a 30 handicap to as low as an 8, and now am about a 12 or so. How I did this I have no idea, other than playing ALOT of golf and some practice, primarily my short game. Through trial and error and some video footage to see what I was doing more often wrong!
Examples here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/ezeddie3.../4/duUnFviojoU
AT the time I was working on ridding myself of rolling my arms and taking the club too far inside in my takeaway, evidence with some of my waggles.
There are a couple of other videos in there with face on and some driver swings etc. Mind you these are from 1 year ago before I got hurt, not sure if they are close to what I am doing now.
I came across the secret in the dirt- with elkington and martinez, sevam1, and some other stuff from the golfwrx site. All of these things are great, in specific the move martinez made in his recent video.

Yet when I came across this site it's like Lynn's stuff prepares you from the ground up, no pun intended. SO now I am prepared to shred everything apart if needed to get it right and be able to really improve my game.

Having said all this I found I had a terrible grip, takeaway, footwork, balance, allignment, weight transfer, sway, flip, cast, and occasionally shank the ball, other than that I'm good! As for the short game, as you can see in my sand videos on my youtube page, probably the best thing i have going is my bunker play. The short game I'm better at pitch shots from the rough and those kind of shots than I am at chipping and tighter lies.

I can't afford private lessons right now, so I am going to stick to Lynn's philosophy because it just sounds and feels better. I watched a lot of the videos and started to mess around indoors with an impact bag and working on my grip. I spent 2 nights, w/out touching a ball non stop hitting that bag, flat left wrist leading and bent rt arm. Here is what I found out 2 things I focused on:

Old grip I can tell you this, 1-10 10 being the best I had 1 as far as my grip before. Specifically my rt hand was terrible no unison w lifeline and left thumb(PP1 I think it is), my rt hand was strong, not connected and prob too far below my left hand. My left hand was too weak and my thumb was too high on the shaft, and 3 left fingers(PP2?) was not secure throughout swing. If this makes sense I gripped the club too tight yet not secure at the same time. Last but not least my rt index was too far below and around the shaft and PP3- heck I never even knew what that was, much less felt. I can tell you if nothing else, I guess I never knew how to grip a club properly to now, never knew what it felt like. FEEL,that word is key as I am finally realizing what that really is with some of the things I'm seeing and applying from this FABULOUS forum, thanks again Lynn!!!!

Takeaway This is my biggest surprise, how off I was. 2 things that have been eye openers are club head drag and rt forearm takeaway. I was always under the impression that the rt arm was bad in the swing, back and through, my god was I wrong. I kind of feel that pull/push is the way to go, at least for now. I look at myself in the mirror while rehearsing this, and don't even recognize myself in the mirror.

Being obsessive comp. and having occasional ADD, lol that wasn't enough the last 2 nights. I started to get into, flying wedges, extensors, impact ready address, lag, the dowels, the 3 releases, mcdonald drills(don't even feel like golf- guess that's how off I am with sequencing etc.) and everything else I could find. When I finally got to the range I thought I was going to kill the ball, and the range was closed!!!! :BangHead:


I had to at least try it with the short game so I hit some pitches, initially I started to hit a bunch fat and 1 shank and was like uh-oh. Then I got into a little groove and hit it pretty consistent. Even though the range was closed, I actually hit about 6 9 iron shots with some old balls, they were all within 15 yds from each other.

IN closing I didn't bring to the range, albeit limited session, what I felt at home with a mirror and rehearsing etc.. Even though I only hit 6 balls, a bucket wasn't going to stop what I was feeling, still flipping a bit, prob losing my left arm from chest(PP1?) and terrible footwork.

Structure is not my forte, so my question is what is the proper path to get it right. It seems the more I jump from post to post it leads to something else, from reading on the hinge action, dowels, TGM book, etc. My head is spinning!!! Yet in a good way! I am versed enough and have a great grasp of this game now where I can follow very well, yet it seems I start something new before I finish another. For someone that has played for some time, and is a decent player overall is there some kind of thread that shows a detailed path so to speak.


BTW why are my ring and middle fingers in my rt hand killing me? Is that normal considering I am gripping the club totally different than before or beating that impact bag down and holding that finish- another great nugget Lynn, holding positions to let the computer digest all of that!


I would appreciate any feedback from my post or the horrible swings on my youtube page.



I would PM (private message) Lynn on this forum and go and see him right away. HE REALLY IS AN EXCELLENT TEACHER! LEARN THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU WILL MAKE MONEY ON THE COURSE AND REALLY ENJOY YOUR GAME!

ICT

ezeddie32 05-03-2011 01:42 PM

Thanks for the info Kev. I would look at those vids and look to purchase the alignment video as well.

ezeddie32 05-03-2011 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by innercityteacher (Post 84341)
I would PM (private message) Lynn on this forum and go and see him right away. HE REALLY IS AN EXCELLENT TEACHER! LEARN THE RIGHT WAY AND YOU WILL MAKE MONEY ON THE COURSE AND REALLY ENJOY YOUR GAME!

ICT

Inner I am in Miami, FL. Is there anyone down here that is a certified instructor with TGM or affiliated with Lynn? At the time I can't afford to go take private lessons with Lynn, although I would love nothing more.

innercityteacher 05-03-2011 02:13 PM

Pm Lynn
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ezeddie32 (Post 84351)
Inner I am in Miami, FL. Is there anyone down here that is a certified instructor with TGM or affiliated with Lynn? At the time I can't afford to go take private lessons with Lynn, although I would love nothing more.

Eddie, just write the man and he will give you the 411.

Good luck! :)

ICT

Yoda 05-03-2011 07:07 PM

Lynn Blake Certified Life Line / Miami
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ezeddie32 (Post 84351)
Inner I am in Miami, FL. Is there anyone down here that is a certified instructor with TGM or affiliated with Lynn? At the time I can't afford to go take private lessons with Lynn, although I would love nothing more.

Call Dan Malizia (pronounced "Mal-eyes"), Head Golf Professional at Pine Tree GC in Boynton Beach, Florida, at 239-682-3968.

Dan is a PGA member and Lynn Blake Certified Senior Instructor (soon to become Master after next week's elite Certification class at Cuscowilla).

:salut:

Mike O 05-03-2011 07:27 PM

Eddie,
1) Make the right hip backswing motion better - you're stuck - probably based on some implementation of the idea of restricted hip motion.
2) Square up the clubface better at address before you take the grip.
3) Take it back the opposite of the roll open takeaway feel
4) You need to learn to hit down - on top of the ball - with the face. Too much "UP" going on.

Taffy 05-03-2011 08:03 PM

Yoda- will there be pictures and videos posted after the Master certification class? I hope so!

Yoda 05-03-2011 11:37 PM

LB Certified / Team 6
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Taffy (Post 84366)

Yoda- will there be pictures and videos posted after the Master certification class? I hope so!

Good idea, Taffy. We'll make it happen!

:golfcart2:

sandeep 05-25-2011 02:33 AM

address position ?
 
Hi,
Just discovered Lynn Blake, but have gone through the Alignment Golf dvd's a few times and watched every video I could find online. One question - in a video posted earlier on this thread (the Golf Channel Instructor search video) - at about 6:24 Yoda shows the setup position and it looks like he is saying to align the shaft with the left forearm at setup, and it looks like he is saying to cock the wrist downward at address because that is how it will come through at impact. However, that would seem to result in zero angle for the #3 accumulator, and it feels very weird when I set up this way. Am I misunderstanding what he is saying? Thanks for any help.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA.../2/JcprJbJx8JQ

innercityteacher 05-25-2011 02:51 PM

How are your new digs?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike O (Post 84365)
Eddie,
1) Make the right hip backswing motion better - you're stuck - probably based on some implementation of the idea of restricted hip motion.
2) Square up the clubface better at address before you take the grip.
3) Take it back the opposite of the roll open takeaway feel
4) You need to learn to hit down - on top of the ball - with the face. Too much "UP" going on.

Nice and concise, Mike? How is CA?

May I just add that you can drag the club back and up using no hands, just your hip.

IC T

innercityteacher 05-25-2011 03:02 PM

Level wrists
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeep (Post 84882)
Hi,
Just discovered Lynn Blake, but have gone through the Alignment Golf dvd's a few times and watched every video I could find online. One question - in a video posted earlier on this thread (the Golf Channel Instructor search video) - at about 6:24 Yoda shows the setup position and it looks like he is saying to align the shaft with the left forearm at setup, and it looks like he is saying to cock the wrist downward at address because that is how it will come through at impact. However, that would seem to result in zero angle for the #3 accumulator, and it feels very weird when I set up this way. Am I misunderstanding what he is saying? Thanks for any help.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KevinPGA.../2/JcprJbJx8JQ

Welcome SD. I know many of the regular Pros are giving thousands of lessons or competing now and they will get back to you. I am being filtered from seeing the film you mention right now.

But Level Left Wrist is the way to go along with Right Forearm on plane. Please go here and watch my struggles to learn the correct grip.

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread8101.html

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread8103.html

http://lynnblakegolf.com/forum/thread8098.html

The skinny guys are pros. I am not in case you were confused. :laughing9

IC T

sandeep 05-25-2011 04:35 PM

Thanks for your videos and reply. What Yoda has you do in your grip and setup seems normal to me. I still have no idea what he is trying to show at 6:24 in that Golf Channel instructor search video, it looks to me like he is setting up the left wrist in the impact position, which is exactly what he says not to do in your video.

Here is another link, maybe you can see this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcprJbJx8JQ

sandeep 05-25-2011 04:52 PM

Hi,
One more thing that I find very confusing, I wonder if someone could help. Several times Yoda states that there is no rolling of the hands, and he gives the example of the door closing, so the clubface goes from open to closde as the "door" swings but the hands do not roll.

However, in other places like in discussion of accumulator 3 and in the Golf Channel instructor search video at 1:53 there are a couple of still pictures with captions saying left wrist flat/rolling, right wrist bent/rolling.

Obviously I have a major misunderstanding here - can someone tell me what I am missing - are the hands rolling or staying vertical? Thanks.

sandeep 05-25-2011 05:10 PM

Thanks for your videos. They make sense to me, I still don't understand what Yoda is saying in that section of his video though. (It's the Golf Channel Instructor search video, easy to find on YouTube and on this site).

bambam 05-25-2011 05:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeep (Post 84896)
Thanks for your videos and reply. What Yoda has you do in your grip and setup seems normal to me. I still have no idea what he is trying to show at 6:24 in that Golf Channel instructor search video, it looks to me like he is setting up the left wrist in the impact position, which is exactly what he says not to do in your video.

Here is another link, maybe you can see this one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JcprJbJx8JQ

These are 2 different things. In the golf channel video Yoda is showing the right forearm being on plane which puts the left wrist in a level, impact condition and is a vertical condition. In innercity's video, he was talking about the horizontal condition of the left wrist being bent.

sandeep 05-29-2011 12:12 PM

Thank you Ben. I have been studying my Alignment Golf dvd's diligently. In disc 1 there are multiple references to a full swing DVD, but this is not included in the Alignment Golf set. Does such a dvd exist? Thanks.

sandeep 06-07-2011 10:23 PM

Just ordered my Taly Mind Set. Have not found any DVD's from Lynn Blake about the full swing, and have searched very hard. I guess nothing like that exists.

innercityteacher 06-07-2011 11:36 PM

Basic Motion
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeep (Post 85156)
Just ordered my Taly Mind Set. Have not found any DVD's from Lynn Blake about the full swing, and have searched very hard. I guess nothing like that exists.

SD, when you master the Basic and Acquired Motions shown in many tapes, you are learning the Total Motion you seek.

I have been studying TGM here with Lynn and my many friends, and they are all generous thoughtful people based on my experience, for one year and a little.

In Basic Motion, all the needed components and procedures of effective GOLF can be practiced.

You are learning how to put together a ten million piece jigsaw puzzle based on your gifts and sensitivities. Look at the Basic Motion videos and search that term in our forums. Then, ask specific questions and we will try to answer.

Please keep in mind that the Summer is prime earning time for the PGA and LPGA pros on our site so they are busy. Kevin Carter, for example, gave at least 9 lessons today. This is their prime time, but they will answer owing to their passion for correct GOLF instruction and the joy they have is seeing hacks like me improve. :) I will answer using the pros quotes or my limited experience which I will clearly designate. During the day, I can write but not see film posted due to district filters.

Air will quote strings from the forum most often that you can study. Keep in mind, he has seen Lynn twice recently. Daryl, OB Left, Bam-Bam, Yodas LUke, Golf Gnome, Mike O, Drewit Golf, 12 Piece Bucket, BerntR, Hungry Bear, KevCarter and JerryG and Delaware Golf, are all seriously talented passionate golfers. They will not knowingly mislead you!

IC T

sandeep 06-08-2011 04:17 PM

Thanks. I am getting there, have viewed the Alignment Golf DVD's many times, have read many of the threads on this forum, and have viewed most of the free videos on here multiple times as well. Have ordered the Golf Machine book, but it hasn't arrived yet. Have a pretty good understanding of basic motion from the DVD's, but the Alignment golf DVD set is lacking in its description of some things like the pre-impact swivel (but I have picked up some things from reading the forum, seeing some video's, etc...). Mr. Kelley's book is on the way, I think that should help me clear up a few concepts.

airair 06-08-2011 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeep (Post 85180)
Thanks. I am getting there, have viewed the Alignment Golf DVD's many times, have read many of the threads on this forum, and have viewed most of the free videos on here multiple times as well. Have ordered the Golf Machine book, but it hasn't arrived yet. Have a pretty good understanding of basic motion from the DVD's, but the Alignment golf DVD set is lacking in its description of some things like the pre-impact swivel (but I have picked up some things from reading the forum, seeing some video's, etc...). Mr. Kelley's book is on the way, I think that should help me clear up a few concepts.

Don't get your hopes up too much with regards to the book. It's a hard read. But maybe you are both smart and persistent. Then you got a (slim) chance.:confused1

innercityteacher 06-08-2011 04:29 PM

Know these videos SD!
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airair (Post 85181)
Don't get your hopes up too much with regards to the book. It's a hard read. But maybe you are both smart and persistent. Then you got a (slim) chance.:confused1


No Kidding! Practice this until you really get it and add the Basic Motion then Acquired Motion. SD, if you truly understand these videos, you can shoot in the high 70's with a short game.

(your final goal and Balance) http://youtu.be/_BJsZcGatEo

(macro) (learn to Swing first) http://youtu.be/1y2fH0ooCoQ

(macro) http://youtu.be/vVx6DPCIhd8

( micro) http://youtu.be/QSugO_i2RYE


(micro) http://youtu.be/FDRTQvibHc0

(micro Basic) http://youtu.be/vMEHlA4UMjs


macro) http://youtu.be/jqNlEy0pNBc

(rhythm) http://youtu.be/eng1a9AXxs4


IC T

sandeep 06-08-2011 05:39 PM

IC - thanks for the links.

air - that is correct, very smart and very persistent. Looking forward to studying Mr. Kelley's book.

Regards,
s

airair 06-08-2011 05:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sandeep (Post 85187)
IC - thanks for the links.

air - that is correct, very smart and very persistent. Looking forward to studying Mr. Kelley's book.

Regards,
s

Good for you. Good luck!:salut:

sandeep 06-20-2011 11:15 PM

I am wondering if anyone knows of a link to any video which demonstrates the proper procedure for the setup as described in 2-J-1. I am particularly interested in the section about "A geometrically proper procedure to establish the correct radius with the Clubhead raised to the desired Impact relationship, and then the discussion about soling the club with Extensor Action.

ezeddie32 05-05-2012 10:14 AM

I would like to start off by saying that you absolutely have to purchase and watch plenty of times alignment golf. You also should purchase and practice with the taly. I really am having excellent results with impact especially the way I am hitting and compressing the ball. The takeaway with the right forearm is so huge I cannot even begin to tell you. Also the awareness of pressure point number 3 its also very significant.

My main problem right no, which I am trying to figure out why it happening, is that I am hitting the ball very solid but I am mostly missing left. If you look at the divot that I am making on the ground they are absolutely perfect. They are just left of my targets.

Any ideas on what I should be looking at in terms of maybe taking it too far inside or otherwise.

MizunoJoe 05-05-2012 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ezeddie32 (Post 91276)
I would like to start off by saying that you absolutely have to purchase and watch plenty of times alignment golf. You also should purchase and practice with the taly. I really am having excellent results with impact especially the way I am hitting and compressing the ball. The takeaway with the right forearm is so huge I cannot even begin to tell you. Also the awareness of pressure point number 3 its also very significant.

My main problem right no, which I am trying to figure out why it happening, is that I am hitting the ball very solid but I am mostly missing left. If you look at the divot that I am making on the ground they are absolutely perfect. They are just left of my targets.

Any ideas on what I should be looking at in terms of maybe taking it too far inside or otherwise.

You might be hitting the back of the ball instead of the inside, so that the face is pointed slightly left of the target at separation. It might be as simple as very slightly opening the face at address.

innercityteacher 05-07-2012 12:14 AM

Push-draw?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by MizunoJoe (Post 91289)
You might be hitting the back of the ball instead of the inside, so that the face is pointed slightly left of the target at separation. It might be as simple as very slightly opening the face at address.

What's the ball flight?

Or outside in with a double-cross?


ICT


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 04:18 AM.