10-24F Flip Release
 

Off Plane release

Anyone can chip in some ideas on the above topics?

What is the mechanical disadvantage vs. the advantage?
The pulley position between a Flip release and Snap release?
Both Pressure Points and Arc of Approach, are they actively employ in Flip Release?
Unlike other releases, in FLIP – let’s talk about the ball position and stance line


Or no one care to talk about the FLIP.

flip release
 

i have been digging around for two weeks trying to learn aboout the flip release. i forund some info on david orr's site. he said there was very little tilt lused, it was a circular path delivery, used a wrist throw, and ells and michelson were flip releasers. there may be somethilng about a left arm delivery path with this too. help! thanks.

flip release
 

no news is not good news

Guys,

I have had this marked as 'no clue' for 28 years. Homer could not describe it well and I can only guess.

I think it refers to a naturally messy kind of pivot that produces a burst of CF with a fast wrist and hand overtaking motion that looks flippy but holds to the definition of rhythm. The on plane flip release is the only geometrical element that would release early with short irons and later with long clubs and has to be adjusted with an open or closed stance.

Maybe this is the too simple explanation that I have been looking for these past for 28 years.

Earnie and Phil make sense.

I dont know about ernie but certainly phil and vj have that look and phil especially could make the argument that it is a right arm swing...what phil and vj both suffer from are rhythm issues between the paddlewheel motions of both flying wedges

LOL yeah im suffering from students saying look at what VJ is doing, you said don't do that.

Finger Pointing
 

As they give you their own version of a Flip Release.

Ok maybe throw in some lack of extesion and we got some fun.

Oz,

I think, off plane delivery to on plane release.

10-24-F....Release is Triggered (7-20) by allowing the Arm Swing and or the Shoulder Turn to Swing the Hands per 10-24-E (Wrist Throw) automatically or deliberately and move the Clubhead to an Off Plane relation to the Arms so Centrifugal Force can accelerate the "Throw Out" action thus initiating (6-B-3-0).

How else could it be said (1-H). Loop the club flatter than you arms so CF has more effect on throw out. Like Sergio. How simple can it be. Maybe Hogan?

I have been teaching this to pullers for 10 years and it is the first thing I taught you Oz but didn't know it.

Thanks for making me get The Book out again.

The Chick Hatched!
 

The incubator has been working for a long time.

After 24 years I think you have just about nailed this one. :) Thats why we call this part of the forum the Hatchery.

Keep in mind that even though Homer said "arms", its really the on-plane right forearm that we care about. So "off plane" is really about an off plane right forearm through the release interval.

I've seen photo's of Sergio, Phil, Hogan and others (nice company) who are below plane with the right forearm but have a lot of #3 accumulator angle so the clubshaft is still tracking on plane, even though it is closer to the hands plane, through impact. For these guys, the having rhythm with #3 accumulator roll is critical for a straight shot. The "flip" is not so much a left wrist bend action as a very fast roll action to "save" the shot. Allowing CF to take over clubhead roll compensates for the off plane right forearm. Its a compensation move and the player just has to allow it to happen.

I'm discussing the release interval and I believe you are talking about the start down period. One way or another, the pieces are starting to fall into place.