HK's right arm swing recommendation
 

Here is a video showing HK watching a golfer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iclf7SpLg_Y&NR=1

In this video he recommends that the golfer become a right arm swinger. Why does he recommend that a golfer become a right arm swinger? Where in his TGM book does he describe right arm swinging?

Jeff.

Start at 7-19 last paragraph

Mike

Thanks for the comment. His right arm swing commentary in 7-19 is limited to one paragraph. What do you think that he saw in that golfer's swing that would make him recommend that the golfer should become a right arm swinger? Do you have criteria for when a particular golfer should become a right arm swinger per 10-3-k with loosened wrists?

Jeff.

Right Arm Swinger
 

Jeff,
Before I briefly answer your question, let me say I really don't have a lot of desire to hash through golfing machine information in detail. Therefore, while you may have many, many additional questions- if so- someone else can jump in and answer them. 1) I certainly wouldn't want to ignore future questions without some explanation and 2) right arm swingers are few and far between and to me appear to be compensated procedures- so it's a very small world and although good to know the essential characteristics - not one to spend a lot of time on, in my opinion.

If you are a swinger you pull the club.
A right arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the right arm or musculature that supports the right arm acceleration.
A left arm swinger would be primarily pulling with the left arm or musculature that supports the left arm acceleration.
(Not that there wouldn't be a full body feel and many things pulling- but that would be the general distinction between the two. It certainly wouldn't mean that you would only feel the left arm swing ala Leslie King or only feel the right arm swinging.)
Now, If you are pulling with the right arm- then inherit in that action is that the "center" of the swing moves to the right elbow according to Homer Kelley (see 10-3-K 6th edition). Imagine the shaft primarily rotating around or oriented to the right elbow due to the physics involved. If pulling with the left - the "center" of rotaton is the left shoulder. Essentially imagine that the shaft rotates around the left hand and the left shoulder.

So for the golfer on the video- A) it's obvious to me that he is pulling i.e. swinging versus hitting and B) notice the "hang back" or the center of rotation around the right elbow. When I say "hang back" - I really mean that the right arm swing creates certain pivot and body motions that appear different than a "normal" left arm swinger- which kind of highlights the effects of the method through the resulting body motion. Less posting up on the left side etc.

It's not that he should become one so much, but more that he is a right arm swinger and he should "maybe" understand it so that he can be aware of his procedure so that he can be consistent with it and understand the pattern- what works with it and what works against it.

Great answer. Thanks Mike.

This really shows that HK appreciated all golfing patterns (as long as aligned OK) irrespective of their individual components. G.O.L.F. :salut:

Mike - thanks again for commenting.

I can see what you are referring to - the "hanging back" appearance that is due to having the clubshaft swing center relating to the right elbow. However, if one saw a golfer with that pattern, why not simply teach him the standard pivot-drive swing (ala Hogan)?

Secondly, you refer to a left arm swing as being a swing where the i) clubshaft swing center is at the left shoulder and ii) the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4. However, in the pivot-driven swing the left arm is catapulted away from the chest wall (pressure point #4) when the pivot subsides - ala Hogan. Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?

Jeff.

i) Let's just say for swingers that you have the right arm swing possibility or you have "the golf swing" i.e. left arm swinger. The only difference being the source of the acceleration and the resulting changing of centers. Now, it would be better to say or easier to see that the centers are different in the two. The right elbow or left shoulder centers are generalizations, not meant to be taken literally or measured directly i.e. those centers are moving.

ii) You're making a dinstinction or a division that I never made or at least running with and going onto a whole new topic of discussion. I said left side musculature (primarily) pulls the clubshaft. So I did not say "the left sided torso musculature pulls the left arm away from pressure point #4 "


"Do you categorize that type of swing as also being a left arm swing style?"
Sure- Anything but the right arm swing would have a "center at the left shoulder". Remember that we are really just talking about the swing center in this discussion. When you say ""Left arm swing style"" - you are really (for the reader) opening up a can of worms in regards to - Are we talking about or defining "What the movement feels like?" or "What muscles are actually being used?" or "What it looks like in pictures?" or "What the player is trying to do?". Without limiting the discussion or clearly defining the concept at hand - you quickly get off into the land of confusion (for the reader).

2-M-4
While Homer Kelley may have used something similar to "clarify a concept" - to use the above thought as a procedureal que in the golf swing most likely would be inaccurate and result in "throwaway".

Mike

Thank you for your clarifying comments. They make a lot of sense.

Jeff.

That "blasted" expression
 

Jeff,

#4 Accumulator is Radius Power and you will get Radius Power even with a gentle turn. The "blasting of the Swinger's essentially inert Left Arm into orbit toward Impact", per 2-M-4, often gives the idea of a vicious action :( .