Hogan, bobbing and impact fix
 

The recent "lifetime TGM" thread had interesting debate from post 74 ish about bobbing and Tiger...

A recent thread on another site got me thinking about Hogan's head position.

See this video...http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=NZwGo8tLlMU

He has alot of extra waist bend - achieved in backswing and maintains it really well through downswing. It is less a "head bob" and more a "whole body concertina".

Someone else posted an exert from John Schlee's "Maximum Golf" (thanks Lake) which is....

'When Ben and I were working together, he said to me, "Show me how you would like to be at impact. After I got into my impact position, he said, "Starting from that position, hit a shot." I had a 5-iron in my hands and, to my amazement, I nailed it. He then said, "Do it again." I nailed it a second time. Then three more times. A total of five perfect 5-irons. I asked, "Why does it work so well?" He replied, "Because you have put your entire body in a position it can identify by feel and then return to that position at impact. Your muscles remembered exactly where they were." '

It seems he is describing impact fix beautifully.

See in the video , especially the swings when he was younger, how really bent over he gets....that "shooting stick" or "sports spectator stick" , which he uses as a visual guide in "Modern Fundamentals" for posture, would be shoved even further into the ground!

If you set up this bent over... with mid body hands....do your hands have to be really low?? That is the way it seems to me. No problem at impact because the shaft leans forward...but at impact fix...my arms and clubhead feel so long (if extensor action applied)....not much space between that left shoulder and the ball...unless the hands drop down low.

The alternative is to get the arms bent at adjusted address, really relaxed and no extensor action...

Any thoughts?

The Low Down on Grip Types
 

Adjust your Knee Bend, Waist Bend and #3 Accumulator Angle until your Left Wrist is Flat, level and Vertical (7-2, #4). I had a conversation with Lynn on the practice tee at Cuscowilla regarding this. I had a left wrist that was cocked to a certain degree at both Fix and Adjusted Address (low hands) resulting in more waist bend than was necessary....even A.I.'s can get into bad habits :( .

When you say "No problem at impact because the shaft leans forward...but at impact fix"...How are you differentiating the two? Extensor Action should be present in both (with Wedges intact), but not at Adjusted Address (at least not to the degree to take you out of your Adjusted Address alignments, hence the reason EA is not listed in Section 3 of the Mechanical Check List 12-3-0).

Ben Dover
 

Although the pictures don't show Impact, Hogan, unlike Tiger, has his Right Forearm on Plane at Impact. Hogan, however, does not have his Right Forearm on Plane at Adjusted Address, requiring compensations to get it there.

Isn't it nice that once you understand the Flying Wedges as presented in TGM, you don't have to make those compensations :smile: . Geometry and Physics, they are a beautiful thing:sunny: .

Hi, I think that I was comparing the Adjusted address (mid body hands) and impact....

If I bend over, knee flex etc ...just enough to get the right forearm on plane.... the shaft leans forward and my left shoulder is higher at impact/impact fix than it would be at mid body hands /adusted address.

The length of my left arm and club are the same length at impact as they are at mid body hands....but the left shoulder is nearer the ground at mid body hands adjusted address....

So the hands have to drop down off plane at adjusted address...no? Looks a bit MORAD -esque....

For me...that is quite along way....hand only plane really...or so it seems

You are dead right about Tiger... he really has to make alot of adjustments on his downswing.

I think it's very important that you understand exactly what shaft lean does to the face in this connection . . How much shaft lean is the right amount? What happens to the force vector if you raise the handle up or lower it? What does more #3 accumulator angle do to the rate of rotation of the face for a give amount of hand motion?

All of these have an impact on the line of compression and it may not match what you're intending to do.