What's the ratio of hitters to swingers on tour?
 

Hello all,

I'm just curious what the ratio is of hitters to swingers on tour.

I'm also curious who all currently on tour is a hitter so I can do some compare and contrast between those guys and all of the swingers.

I'm curious to compare their driving distance, driving accuracy, GIR, and scrambling statistics.

Thanks for any information guys.

JGC :golfcart:

tough question...
 

How are we to decide if a player hits or swings...not as easy as it sounds...

...ask the players?...not likely to be helpful unless you ask maybe 5-10 guys who are TGM literate...

Look at their swings?...really hard to tell...many guys mix hitting and swinging components to great effect...

So given that we can only guess by looking ...how useful is the comparative data going to be??

See the problem...good question..just nearly impossible to give a satisfactory answer!

I've assumed Vijay and Boom Boom are 'swingers' given how they often barely have the right hand on the club at impact which I can't see them 'driving' the right arm when doing that. But yeah, you'd have to ask the golfers and then hope that they have a good feel and can articulate upon what they do.



3JACK

Intersting question and, I think, insightful. Many players combine procedures which limit their abilty to hit it straight. For example, Phil reaches a hitter's accumulation at top but utilizes a swinger's release, hence his inability to hit a fairway.

As HK said, compensations are like taxes, seldom effective and soon forgotten.

I think Haney has Tiger all screwed up. He was clearly a swinger with Butch Harmon, but now he has a hitter position at the top and is still trying to release as a swinger - it just doesn't work.

Impact is the moment of truth, and these boys get back to impact pretty good, but, the mixture of procedures affects their ability to perform at the level they want.

So, the answer is that few are pure hitters or pure swingers, in my opinion.

Phil us In
 

Hitter's Accumulation at the Top? Care to expand on that?

I would also like to know what you mean by hitters accumalation also tigers hitters position at top curious what you mean by this didnt know there was such a thing

Caveat to readers and questioners - I'm rusty, but I will try to explain. I'm not saying I am correct, just giving my take based on my understanding.

Hitting involves radial thrust, PP#3 into the inside aft quadrant. In order to accomplish this, the right arm needs to be at a 90 degree angle to the shaft.

At the top, hitters accumulate power by getting their right arm into a position to exert this thrust. The right arm needs to be at a 90 degree angle to the club. The angle of the arms at the top is by necessity, 90 degrees.

Swingers generate longitudinal force - they pull with the left arm and initiate PP#4, the left arm against the chest. Their arms are typically at less than right angles at the top.

So, Tiger's forearms at the top used to be closer together, consistent with swinger's procedure. Now, because he is flatter, they are farther apart, and the right forearm in at 90 degrees to the shaft.

Stay with me. Hitters activate accumulators 1, 2 and 3 by the thrust of the right arm - it happens based on a strong grip and you can see the club hop ever so briefly off the plane line.

Swingers activate acummulators 4, 2, and 3 based on centrifugal force. The club travels more on the plane and release is based on the pivot, I think.

So, if you get your right elbow into a position to drive, but then you pull, you have a problem.

Also, if you set up to drive and then release for a pull, you have a problem.

You can obviously make this work, but you need to compensate - which is like taxes.

I'm not clear on all of this, it's been a while, but I think there is validity to the thought.

good take i understand your thinking but i would say that swingers get there arm more under the club because the typicaly make a longer swing. In reality actualy i would say that it would be the oppostie you can be in an end postion and swing you can take it half way back and swing but to take it all the way to the top and hit would be very tough. I personaly dont think many players are hitters on tour or at least are actively pushing their arm on the way out my gues would be about 2 percent. but im sure others will say different just my opinion

Good observation . . . it is also "under the club" because of the loading as well. Swinger is pulling the length of the shaft longitudially . . . arrow out of the quiver deal . . . pulling a string. So that alignment supports the loading procedure. That's why Homer talks about the pressure falling on the knuckle because of the loading and the right forearm going "under" as you say.

Right Hand Under
 

Great responses. I like the idea of the right hand under because it is in a supporting role for swingers who pull. I think the picture has been painted well between the assembly point of swingers and hitters. I think the tour is much more evenly split between swingers and hitters, maybe 60/40. I certainly think hitters comprise more than 2% - but that is just my opinion. I also think there are several "hybrids" - those who mix the procedures - with mixed results. Many of the "hybrids" would benefit, in my opinion, from adopting the components of one or the other. If not - compensations, which are "like temporary taxes."