Angled Hinging flight tendency....same for Hitting AND Swinging???

[birdie_man]

I know that with HHinging positioning the ball forward means the face will close more....so you'll have more of a draw tendency (or at least the ball will fade LESS).

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I know that Hitting WITH AN ANGLED HINGE will have a fade tendency with the ball forward and draw tend. with the ball back...

What about Swinging with an Angled Hinge?

Same deal?

Does the clubface continue to open until Low Point (l. shoulder) as it does with a Hitter?

Angle of Approach still?

[tongzilla]

I know that with HHinging positioning the ball forward means the face will close more....so you'll have more of a draw tendency (or at least the ball will fade LESS).

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I know that Hitting WITH AN ANGLED HINGE will have a fade tendency with the ball forward and draw tend. with the ball back...

What about Swinging with an Angled Hinge?

Same deal?

Does the clubface continue to open until Low Point (l. shoulder) as it does with a Hitter?

Angle of Approach still?

Same deal. Clubface remains vertical to the Inclined Plane.

You don't have to use the Angle of Approach Delivery Line to execute Angled Hinging.

Now, how should the Swinger execute Angled Hinging? By adding a bit of Right Arm Thrust to override Centrifugal Force from producing the natural Horizontal Hinge Action? Or simply by being clever with the Hands (Educated Hands)? I say the latter.

[Yoda]

Now, how should the Swinger execute Angled Hinging? By adding a bit of Right Arm Thrust to override Centrifugal Force from producing the natural Horizontal Hinge Action? Or simply by being clever with the Hands (Educated Hands)? I say the latter.

You are right, Tongzilla, Educated Hands are the key. Three quick points:

1. The Swinger who adds "a bit of Right Arm Thrust to override Centrifugal Force" is no longer a Swinger. He is a Hitter.

2. But remember, Right Arm Thrust is not the same thing as using the Right Arm to sense Clubhead Acceleration and Lag. And the Swinger should use his Acceleration-sensing Right Forearm and #3 Pressure Point to Trace the Plane Line through Impact.

3. In any event, the combination of Power Accumulators employed (Component #4) is totally independent of the Hinge Action (Component #10), Angled or otherwise.

[Mike O]

I know that with HHinging positioning the ball forward means the face will close more....so you'll have more of a draw tendency (or at least the ball will fade LESS).

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I know that Hitting WITH AN ANGLED HINGE will have a fade tendency with the ball forward and draw tend. with the ball back...

What about Swinging with an Angled Hinge?

Same deal?

Does the clubface continue to open until Low Point (l. shoulder) as it does with a Hitter?

Angle of Approach still?

Jimmy- I mean birdie man! If there's people out there that really are keen on understanding the Golfing Machine- then without probably knowing it- you just started a 6+ page forum thread! Due to time constraints I'm not going to lead the way- but I'll jump in as needed. Simply put- the clubface with angled hinging IS closing until low point (and beyond) NOT opening. I'm sure you or others will be able to weed through the other related issues. Although, maybe I missed something here? Please correct me if you were saying something else.

P.S. Is Canader anywhere near Canada?

[tongzilla]

Jimmy- I mean birdie man! If there's people out there that really are keen on understanding the Golfing Machine- then without probably knowing it- you just started a 6+ page forum thread! Due to time constraints I'm not going to lead the way- but I'll jump in as needed. Simply put- the clubface with angled hinging IS closing until low point (and beyond) NOT opening. I'm sure you or others will be able to weed through the other related issues. Although, maybe I missed something here? Please correct me if you were saying something else.

P.S. Is Canader anywhere near Canada?

I think Birdie_man is referring to the fact that the Clubface is opening relative to the Clubhead Line of Flight (or simply Clubhead Path).

[birdie_man]

lol I'm not even sure WHAT I'm referencing.....I just knew that the Hitter plays the ball more forward for a fade...so the face must be more open.

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BTW....Canader is very close to Canada .

[12 piece bucket]

P.S. Is Canader anywhere near Canada?

I think both them joints used to be a part of the former Soviet Republic right?

[Mike O]

lol I'm not even sure WHAT I'm referencing.....I just knew that the Hitter plays the ball more forward for a fade...so the face must be more open.

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BTW....Canader is very close to Canada .

Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.

[tongzilla]

Yes, for fading the ball for hitting- you would start with your normal straight away ball flight- with you left wrist flat level and vertical- say clubface looking at the initial starting target- for simplicity of this example. Then if you want to fade, you would move the ball forward a certain amount, RETAKE your grip with the left wrist flat level and vertical - at the new ball location- with the clubface facing the initial starting target. If you want to hook the ball you would move it back from the straight away ball location- then RETAKE your grip with the clubface facing your the intitial target line, and the left wrist flat, level and vertical. Of course, other related adjustments would need to be made- but for this example it's important to clarify that for hitting or manipulated swinging- you are retaking the grip at the new ball location- not just moving the ball forward with the same grip.

Why do think Homer recommended the above procedure to Swingers over the Plane Line rotation method?

[Mike O]

Why do think Homer recommended the above procedure to Swingers over the Plane Line rotation method?

This all comes under 7-2 and drawing or fading the ball.
If your a manipulated swinger- that is If you come into impact with the left wrist vertical to the ground (and flat and level), That is IF you control the clubface directly through controlling the alignment of the left wrist at impact- by making sure it is FLV, then that's what you're setting up at impact fix- regardless of ball location.

If you are a TRUE swinger - then you're letting centrifugal force line up the clubface- Then you don't retake your grip with different ball locations- you keep the same grip while changing ball location-that's when you would use Plane Line Rotation method. Because if you move the ball back- it's further from low point, and the face will be more open- or put another way - as you move the ball back- and then move the hands and club back- the face opens more. Since it is further from low point you'll fade the ball- so you rotate everything to the left - keeping the club and arms in the same relation to the body- until you've got the club face aimed at the proper starting point to allow for the fade to drift back to your ultimate target.