Set up = Ball Position

[Jim.Cook]

It's been unseasonably warm lately (46 deg F). I climbed the gate at the driving range both yesterday and today. One of the owners, whom I know, has been hitting a few balls and he left them there. I picked them up and collected a few more around the edges of the range while he was chasing quard drivers off the course.

I spent two hours each day reviewing both the basic and acquired motions. What a great time I had.

I came home tired but refreshed, a nice day.

I began planning what I will practice on during my next visit. I want to review the beginning basics. I would like to look at setting up and the address routine of 3-F-5. Also, and I do not want to ignite a fire storm, I cannot find anything in the book on ball position. I would like to relate it to my swing low point.

Any tips or suggestions on these subjects will be welcome.

[comdpa]

It's been unseasonably warm lately (46 deg F). I climbed the gate at the driving range both yesterday and today. One of the owners, whom I know, has been hitting a few balls and he left them there. I picked them up and collected a few more around the edges of the range while he was chasing quard drivers off the course.

I spent two hours each day reviewing both the basic and acquired motions. What a great time I had.

I came home tired but refreshed, a nice day.

I began planning what I will practice on during my next visit. I want to review the beginning basics. I would like to look at setting up and the address routine of 3-F-5. Also, and I do not want to ignite a fire storm, I cannot find anything in the book on ball position. I would like to relate it to my swing low point.

Any tips or suggestions on these subjects will be welcome.

Ball position can be found in 2-J-1 and 7-2. Have fun sifting through it!

[strav]

I want to review the beginning basics. I would like to look at setting up and the address routine of 3-F-5. Also, and I do not want to ignite a fire storm, I cannot find anything in the book on ball position. I would like to relate it to my swing low point.

Any tips or suggestions on these subjects will be welcome.

These thoughts from Johnny Miller on ball position relate to swing low point and appear logical.

"The correct ball position at address is another important fundamental. My key here is to use the left shoulder, not the feet, as a reference point for where to play the ball. Unless you’re trying to hit an intentionally high or low shot, the ball should always be played off the middle of your left deltoid, right about where the muscle attaches to the bone. This allows you to use the best part of your swing arc, with your left arm returning to impact fully extended from the shoulder, and the right arm trailing and supplying the power.
Why not use the left heel as a guide for ball position? The feet are relative. If you have a very wide stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far ahead of your shoulders. If you have a very narrow stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far back; playing the ball off your left shoulder gives you a constant reference to work from."

[tongzilla]

These thoughts from Johnny Miller on ball position relate to swing low point and appear logical.

"The correct ball position at address is another important fundamental. My key here is to use the left shoulder, not the feet, as a reference point for where to play the ball. Unless you’re trying to hit an intentionally high or low shot, the ball should always be played off the middle of your left deltoid, right about where the muscle attaches to the bone. This allows you to use the best part of your swing arc, with your left arm returning to impact fully extended from the shoulder, and the right arm trailing and supplying the power.
Why not use the left heel as a guide for ball position? The feet are relative. If you have a very wide stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far ahead of your shoulders. If you have a very narrow stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far back; playing the ball off your left shoulder gives you a constant reference to work from."

This is amazing stuff! Makes me wonder if Jonny Miller knows TGM. He's the first non-TGM person I know who has made this point about ball position.

[efnef]

I've heard that he worked with Ben Doyle, and at one time offered to promote TGM for an endorsement fee. Don't know if this is true, though.

[birdie_man]

Cool article strav.

Where u gettin this stuff?

[12 piece bucket]

These thoughts from Johnny Miller on ball position relate to swing low point and appear logical.

"The correct ball position at address is another important fundamental. My key here is to use the left shoulder, not the feet, as a reference point for where to play the ball. Unless you’re trying to hit an intentionally high or low shot, the ball should always be played off the middle of your left deltoid, right about where the muscle attaches to the bone. This allows you to use the best part of your swing arc, with your left arm returning to impact fully extended from the shoulder, and the right arm trailing and supplying the power.
Why not use the left heel as a guide for ball position? The feet are relative. If you have a very wide stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far ahead of your shoulders. If you have a very narrow stance, playing the ball off the left heel will put the ball too far back; playing the ball off your left shoulder gives you a constant reference to work from."

Is this from Miller's book? He wrote one in the 70's. Never seen it.

However, his videos are VERY good. If you don't have 'em, get 'em. If you don't like the instruction you'll at least dig seeing JM bust it in sooopa-dooopa slow mo'.

[strav]

Cool article strav.

Where u gettin this stuff?

That one is from a 1980 Golf magazine Birdie. His point that maintaining the ball off the left foot while altering the width of your stance can change your ball position in relation to your swing center is easily demonstrated eh?

[lagster]

Is this from Miller's book? He wrote one in the 70's. Never seen it.

However, his videos are VERY good. If you don't have 'em, get 'em. If you don't like the instruction you'll at least dig seeing JM bust it in sooopa-dooopa slow mo'.

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Johnny Miller knows some TGM. He learned from Ben Doyle.

The picture posted would work for a driver. With irons the ball should be further back in relation to the left shoulder(low point). This can be done by narrowing the stance, or moving the ball back, or a little of both.

Find your best way of getting correct ball position.

Ball position is a little more(much more) important for TRUE SWINGERS. With them, there is a certain spot where the club will hit the ball straight(no manipulation).

[birdie_man]

I have an idea...

But what components would you associate with pure Swinging? (generally)