Average Joe

[12 piece bucket]

I don't know what the rest of we will say.

But I do know what Homer Kelley said.

And he said:

"If you can keep your Left Wrist Flat through Impact, you will break 80 tomorrow."

In fact, that is exactly what he did in 1941. After only five months of golf, he shot a 77 on a championship course. His book -- The Golfing Machine® -- was born because he could not explain how he did it. Nor could he find anyone else who could. And because he didn't know, he immediately reverted to his old, high-handicap form. The "sweeping" Feel he had that day soon became a distant memory.

Sixteen years later, he discovered the Flat Left Wrist. Only then did he remember what the pro had told him:

"Semi-lock your left wrist through impact."

That is what Homer had done those many years before.

And a 77 is what he got.

Flat Left Wrist, anyone?

How good can Joe Average get and how much time will it take?

From 25,000 hours on the tee:

Getting to make a better swing and look like a golfer - 15min. to 2hours

Breaking 100 regularly (if you never have) - less than one year

Break 90 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 3 years

Break 80 regularly (starting from 100+) - less than 5 years

Assuming an average condition man 35-55, five lessons a year, one bucket a week in season, 20+ rounds per season.

And a good FITTED set of clubs.

Yoda and Brian!

Now this precisely the kind of OPTIMISM I am looking for! On other forums when this question is alluded to some teachers are saying "Well students are A.D.D. they'll never get it." It's frustrating to hear this kind of poor mouthing. I mean come on! We are armed with THE BEST information period bar none in golf!

I'm glad that our two FEARLESS LEADERS brimming with confidence are also FEARLESS BELIEVERS in what they teach! Good to see that the brass is willing to EAT THEIR OWN DAWG FOOD!!!

I'm in total agreement that Average Joe can be turned into the Swan! Most are out hear trying to break their glass ceiling 90, 80 or 70. At the end of the day you gotta write down a number. Glad that you have enough belief in your info, ability to teach and ultimately BELIEF IN YOUR STUDENT. Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

[Yoda]

Cause if the teacher don't believe, how can the student?

Colonel 12 Piece ,

I address this issue in a soon-to-be-published interview with Australia's largest golf website, www.iseekgolf.com. Stay tuned!

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

[brianmanzella]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months?

His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a week for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

[12 piece bucket]

Two examples of what can happen:

A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months?

His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a week for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

Sweet! What was the recipe for success? 76 on 7000 yarder is nothing to sneeze at for anybody not on TV on Sunday.

Details . . . Need Details . . .

[Yoda]

A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek fro 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

For decades now, tennis players have been told that their stiff-wristed, right forearm smashes are ruinous in golf.

Homer Kelley always maintained otherwise.

And now Brian has presented us with this proof positive.

[YodasLuke]

Two examples of what can happen:

Worst golfer I ever taught, A.D.

He could not have possibly broke 113 on a 113 slope course (national mean).

He took 47 lessons from October 1990 to April 1991.

On a par 70 course, he shot 89, putting poorly.


A tennis pro came to me. Brian can you get me to break 80 in 4 months. His lowest score in only about 10 total rounds ever was 98.

He took 4 lessons a wek for 4 months and practiced a LOT.

He had 5 tries to break 80 to win his bet with a pal.

On a tough par-72, 7000 yds., he shot 76 in the third round.


It CAN be done.

Brian's right, it can be done. I love to get new students with small goals. Because of previous experience with instruction, they ask, "do you think I could get a little better? I shoot in the low 100's and I'd like to break 100. Do you think we can do that?" ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! Lets shoot for the 70's!
Any instructor can help to shave a few strokes. I've witnessed things that I never believed possible in TGM instructors. I've been around some of the greatest teachers in the business as a student and as an observer, and unfortunately to most I'd never return. It's a shame that some don't even understand simple geometry. If you’re willing to learn, you must be willing to accept new ideas. Those ideas have to measured against your present belief systems. As new ideas abound, TGM continues to gain the strongest hold in my beliefs. The information is irrefutable.
I've told many of you about one of my greatest juniors. If you hit a drive and you see the whites of Yoda's eyes, you know you've busted it. This junior is 15 now, but started with me at 14. He is a great athlete, and played everything but golf. I gave him his first lesson, and in 8 months he shot 33 for 9 holes. After 14 months, he shot 67 for 18 holes. He'll be playing #1 on his high school team as a sophomore. He's so young in golf, I can't wait to see the things he'll be able to accomplish. When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

[Yoda]

I've told many of you about one of my greatest juniors. If you hit a drive and you see the whites of Yoda's eyes, you know you've busted it. This junior is 15 now, but started with me at 14. He is a great athlete, and played everything but golf. I gave him his first lesson, and in 8 months he shot 33 for 9 holes. After 14 months, he shot 67 for 18 holes. He'll be playing #1 on his high school team as a sophomore. He's so young in golf, I can't wait to see the things he'll be able to accomplish. When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

Ted speaks the truth. And this young man is as humble as he is talented. He's a refreshing change of pace in the often cocksure world of junior golf.

[Martee]

What I have observed is that the 'average joe' will not improve long term at least unless there is one critical factor. The willingness and ability to adhere to the instruction given.

No matter how good the instructor is, if the student doesn't commit, success is not to be. Kind of making a golf stroke, you need to commit to it else all who knows, it might work, it probably won't.

A sidenote, the short game fix is a bandaide in most cases. Cause if you have poor basics with the short game, you can get some good results, but it won't hold up and it certainly isn't going to help the rest of your game. I have seen more flippers get away with it in the short game only to see the same moves in the rest of the game that kills them.

[12 piece bucket]

Brian's right, it can be done. I love to get new students with small goals. Because of previous experience with instruction, they ask, "do you think I could get a little better? I shoot in the low 100's and I'd like to break 100. Do you think we can do that?" ARE YOU KIDDING?!?!?! Lets shoot for the 70's!
Any instructor can help to shave a few strokes. I've witnessed things that I never believed possible in TGM instructors. I've been around some of the greatest teachers in the business as a student and as an observer, and unfortunately to most I'd never return. It's a shame that some don't even understand simple geometry. If you’re willing to learn, you must be willing to accept new ideas. Those ideas have to measured against your present belief systems. As new ideas abound, TGM continues to gain the strongest hold in my beliefs. The information is irrefutable.
When he wins a Tour event, I hope he'll give a shout out to Homer.

Another of the BRASS chimes in with more CONFIDENCE!!!! This is what golf needs!!!

The common denominators of these BREAKTHROUGH MAKEOVERS must be domcumented. . .

I'm LOVING THIS THREAD!!!