Turned Shoulder Plane, Elbow Plane, etc

[birdie_man]

Never heard of Coltrane....

Is it this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coltrane

I like mostly rock.....Jimi, Zep, Floyd, Dylan, Neil Young, Petty, Ozzy, Metallica, RageAgainstTheMachine, Cash, Skynyrd, etc....any rock that's good.

[EdZ]

Never heard of Coltrane....

Is it this guy?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Coltrane

I like mostly rock.....Jimi, Zep, Floyd, Dylan, Neil Young, Petty, Ozzy, Metallica, RageAgainstTheMachine, Cash, Skynyrd, etc....any rock that's good.

Coltrane.... one of my "favorite things"

A true jazz original who took "Giant Steps" forward.

[Delaware Golf]

Coltrane.... one of my "favorite things"

A true jazz original who took "Giant Steps" forward.

Hmmmmmm....actually "Giant Steps" was the last album that featured Coltrane playing in a be-bop style (high level of course)....look to Miles Davis's "Kind of Blue" to Coltrane's transition to modal improvisation and the beginning of his Giant Steps...

DG

[jim_0068]

Hogan "looked" flatter because he had SUPER FLEXIBLE wrists that gave him a whole lot of wrist cock with very very little arm swing.

Also, i'd also recommend to learn how to trace a straight plane line on whatever plane you naturally swing on. If you are trying to change what plane angle you swing on just "cuz" you will ruin your swing long term.

[6bmike]

I think most shift to the turned shoulder plane or the squared shoulder plane, either with a single from elbow upward to the 'shoulders' or even double returning back to elbow. How the hands are set at address will help your chosen swing plane, too.

I often hear that Watson "single planed" on one of the shoulder planes but watch the vids (although time changes people swings), he started on elbow and single shifted (quickly) to the shoulder, turned , I think.

Don't get trapped into thinking a shift is no-no. If it feels right, do it.


Charlie Parker was "Bird"

[mb6606]

Looks like VJ is on the elbow plane at impact.

[jim_0068]

Looks like VJ is on the elbow plane at impact.

VJ is a double shifter like me:

sets up on the elbow plane
shifts to the turned shoulder plane on the backswing (1)
shifts back down to the elbow plane on the downswing (2)

[comdpa]

Don't get trapped into thinking a shift is no-no. If it feels right, do it.

I share the same sentiments as Mike here. At times, I do teach a shift to the elbow plane if it helps the student drive the right shoulder down the plane instead of around it.

It's like what Peter Drucker used to say, "Manage by exception, not by rule."

[mb6606]

Hogan's secret (three letter word) is found in this clip
http://www.megspace.com/sports/moeto...demo_clip.html.