What's causing my toe-deep divots?

[golfgnome]

Golfgnome,

Correct me if I am wrong. Are you suggesting that the player should fit their motion to the club, rather then have the club fit their motion?

All to often when the ball goes left (from a more upright lie angle or a Bent Left Wrist), the Computer will aim the Machine further and further to the right to correct the ball flight, they won't change their Impact Alignments.

All to often, players are fitted for Clubhead Throwaway (I have fitted people for Throwaway; those are the people who won't practice or change their motion, but want to hit it straight $$$). Yes, it can improve their ball flight, but if they really want to improve their game, they will base their motion on the Laws of Science.

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

Improving their Zone #3, six Impact Alignments (3-F-5) before changing the lie angle of the club should save them time while improving their Geometry (they may not even need to change their lie angle to begin with). After visually checking their motion to see if they have sound Impact, then they should be fitted for lie, length, grip size, shaft flex..., not before IMO.

No! I am saying that the club can and will have an effect on motion. Many players bend their left wrist and come over the top because their equipment is to short or to flat or to stiff, etc. If a player is bending their left wrist and coming over plane the ball should go left not straight. By giving the player the correct lie angle they will start hitting the ball to the left, then be able to start correcting ball flight by making a down plane motion.

A lie angle that is to upright will sometimes cause players to swing under plane (ex. juniors).

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

[EdZ]

No question, but if the lie angle (which is a combination of length and lie) is not correct will the player EVER be rewarded for a geometrically correct swing.

How far off does a significant difference in result appear? 1 degree? 2?

Given a lie that fits a player, how does changing to a more or less stiff shaft alter the needed lie angle?