Why tee up the ball at all?

[blehnhard]

I think a lot of confusion is that most relate everything to the ground.

If the swing is always moving "down" until the shaft is in line with the lead arm, the one can still be swinging "down" yet with the proper axis tilt, can be swinging level or even "up" in relation to the ground.

I would even venture to say with an iron swing, low point is not at the bottom of the divot, but at the point where the shaft lines up with the lead arm (low point could even be after the club has left the divot and is above ground.

Bruce

[EdZ]

I think a lot of confusion is that most relate everything to the ground.

If the swing is always moving "down" until the shaft is in line with the lead arm, the one can still be swinging "down" yet with the proper axis tilt, can be swinging level or even "up" in relation to the ground.

I would even venture to say with an iron swing, low point is not at the bottom of the divot, but at the point where the shaft lines up with the lead arm (low point could even be after the club has left the divot and is above ground.

Bruce

I most certainly agree. Perhaps it is more useful to think of 'low point' as the point farthest away from 'center', rather than it having any relationship to the ground.

There is a difference in perspective between the low point of 'force' (both arms straight) and the low point of the clubhead (at left shoulder, relative to ground, right arm stil bent).

This, IMO is the core reason for 1-L-15.

[Sonic_Doom]

I most certainly agree. Perhaps it is more useful to think of 'low point' as the point farthest away from 'center', rather than it having any relationship to the ground.

There is a difference in perspective between the low point of 'force' (both arms straight) and the low point of the clubhead (at left shoulder, relative to ground, right arm stil bent).

This, IMO is the core reason for 1-L-15.

Are we seriously considering that the in-line condition (arm and clubshaft), no matter where achieved, is low point?

We intend to strike a ball that lies on the ground, or on a tee that lies on the ground. Low point must IMO be in relation to the ground. Although I must admit I've more to but I understood Low Point to be the lowest point (elevation) in the clubhead's orbit.

CW

[EdZ]

Are we seriously considering that the in-line condition (arm and clubshaft), no matter where achieved, is low point?

We intend to strike a ball that lies on the ground, or on a tee that lies on the ground. Low point must IMO be in relation to the ground. Although I must admit I've more to but I understood Low Point to be the lowest point (elevation) in the clubhead's orbit.

CW

There are two perspectives, one of force, and one of the clubhead.

[birdie_man]

That's exactly right, of course, EdZ.

"The THRUST continues downplane during the Follow Through." (I-L...item #15)

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Retief's moving up doesn't surprise me with that bending left wrist and pull draw of his.

I have some good video on my home cpu. (not at work)

Both ways are options I'd say.....a Bent left wrist is never really recommended tho.....I know we could get into all this about Retief and etc. etc. but he's an exception and plays a pull draw.

[Weightshift]

Mathew, I was puzzled by the VJ's picture you posted as to why he was hitting the ball so high on the clubface. Here's Tiger's swing in slow motion which includes a closeup of impact and where the speaker says that he hits the ball high on the clubface for a high launch angle and low spin.
http://www.golfdiscussions.com/yabbs...p?topic=8246.0
You'll notice (in the clip that follows the swing) that although the clubhead is moving approximately horizontal to the ground prior to impact, the loft of clubface, with the ball high on the clubface, is actually hitting the ball up!

[Weightshift]

Mathew, I was puzzled by the VJ's picture you posted as to why he was hitting the ball so high on the clubface. Here's Tiger's swing in slow motion which includes a closeup of impact and where the speaker says that he hits the ball high on the clubface for a high launch angle and low spin.
http://www.golfdiscussions.com/yabbs...p?topic=8246.0
You'll notice (in the clip that follows the swing) that although the clubhead is moving approximately horizontal to the ground prior to impact, the loft of clubface, with the ball high on the clubface, is actually hitting the ball up!

I forgot to ask.. Does this mean that his sweetspot is high on the clubface?

[birdie_man]

I have some good video on my home cpu. (not at work)

Here's the link:

Bunch of vids on the right sidebar.

Shows closeups of impact.

+ these:

[Bigwill]

I don't have a dog in this fight, just making observations. But besides Phil's shot (Phil says that he hits the driver on the downswing and it's very obvious on film), it almost appears (on video)that the clubhead is being "driven down" by the collision with the ball, as opposed to moving down through the ball. In other words, the club looks to be moving down after impact, but not necessarily before.

[Sonic_Doom]

There are two perspectives, one of force, and one of the clubhead.

What's the point here Ed? Force was never part of the low point discussion.

Low point concerns the ball in relation to the orbiting clubhead.

CW