new GolfWorld- The Golfing Machine

[Matt]

Matt- didn't you caddie for Waite at one time?

Yes, Milwaukee in July 2004...Grant was working on the stuff described in the article you posted, and we played a practice round with Dean Wilson who was just getting into all this.

[cpwindow4]

I would like to see Lynn if the stuff you guys worked on was giving him a bit more power. His stats are not showing it as of now, however I have not seen him swing for about four years now. His former teacher did teach a little bit different pattern than the one the guys are know for.
I know mine is too. Most of my players start off as hitters.
Good to see TGM getting such nice coverage.

[DOCW3]

What would be the 12-17 component variations from the Plummer-Bennett article(s)?

[12 piece bucket]

Just got my Golf Digest with the Plummer Bennett stuff in it. First of all FANTASTIC to see that the give credit to The Golfing Machine. Second observation is that if you take the swing that David "Master of Chapter 10" Orr has posted . . . looks just like what they have going on in the comparison of "Stack & Tilt" vs. Conventional.

I think there is definitely something to the way they advise using the ground. Also, the whole centered head controlling low point . . . 1-L #1 . . . Holla fo' a dollah or even a couple of million $$$.

They need to be on this site . . . would love to have a Machine discussion with these guys. This dealie is very much pivot based. I would like to hear them comment on pressure points and release motions. Love the business model too . . . Starski and Hutch'n it.

[KappaRaider]

Just got my Golf Digest with the Plummer Bennett stuff in it. First of all FANTASTIC to see that the give credit to The Golfing Machine. Second observation is that if you take the swing that David "Master of Chapter 10" Orr has posted . . . looks just like what they have going on in the comparison of "Stack & Tilt" vs. Conventional.

You could line up a bunch of guys.. Jodie Mudd, Mike Woodson, Denver Haddix and about half the top amateurs in the state of Kentucky and they would all look the same. Mac did a good job. Quick story.... Andy P called Mac one night and had a list of 11 swing questions he wanted to go over with him. Three hours later and he was only through 3 questions.

[john riegger]

just fyi,i dont think these guys are teaching the way homer wanted it taught.yes their info is in the book but it is not the most acceptable way.if you dont believe me then why do they not teach putting the right forearm on plane at address?too many extra moves in their model to be a truly great ball striker.a hand controlled pivot is far superior.i have tried it all in 25 years and nobody i mean nobody understands mr.kellys teachings better than lynn blake,rob noel,ted fort,jeff hull and a selective few.sorry to step on anyones toes but the truth will come to the forefront sooner than later.

[Theodan]

I hastened here somewhat embarassed by a protracted absense, but a nagging panic ruled the evening after I picked up my Golf Digest.

For the the short version (for me), I am enthused that Homer Kelley's teachings are receiving a richly deserved dose of notoriety. Yet, what I think I saw were some constructs which are going to be disruptive for the average golfer. Consistently for me, any deviation from proper care in building and aligning the power package increases risk of fouling the Hinge or Plane.

I have it in the back of mind that handing the average Golf Digest reader a pivot based swing, with an active #4 Accumulator, and an instruction to "stand up" is a 3 ingredient recipe for them to come off of a solid commitment to the Line. It takes the cognitive focus out of the educated hands.

I can see there is much positive in their "swing". I do look forward to hearing the LBG masters' analysis.

PS.... The denotation of "cult' died a long time ago. The resonance of its connotation remains... likened to midnight showings of "Pink Flamingos" and people who worship robins' nests.

[12 piece bucket]

just fyi,i dont think these guys are teaching the way homer wanted it taught.yes there info is in the book but it is not the most acceptable way.if you dont beleive me then why do they not teach putting the right forearm on plane at address.to many extra moves in there model to be a truly great ball striker.a hand controlled pivot is far superior.i have tried it all in 25 years and nobody i mean nobody understands mr.kellys teachings better than than lynn blake,rob noel,ted fort,jeff hull and a selective few.sorry to step on anyones toes but the truth will come to the forefront sooner than later.

AGREED!!!! I think we're headin' down the sooner part of the road too!

[Bobaloo]

just fyi,i dont think these guys are teaching the way homer wanted it taught.yes their info is in the book but it is not the most acceptable way.if you dont believe me then why do they not teach putting the right forearm on plane at address?too many extra moves in their model to be a truly great ball striker.a hand controlled pivot is far superior.i have tried it all in 25 years and nobody i mean nobody understands mr.kellys teachings better than lynn blake,rob noel,ted fort,jeff hull and a selective few.sorry to step on anyones toes but the truth will come to the forefront sooner than later.

John,

I think what they are teaching is a brain controlled pivot, not a hand controlled pivot. You may be right, however they are not teaching Homer's "Model" in chapter 12. The standard right knee action in the Second Edition is in, the right anchor is out, the flat shoulder turn is out, and the rotated shoulder plane is in. The Dual Horizontal Hinge in the Second Edition and the Horizontal Hinge in subsequent editions are out. The Angled Hinge is in, as it holds the club shaft on the plane and controls the rate of closure. After all we are trying to turn shoulders in a circle per 2-G right?

So which of Homer's Model's are you referring to? The Second Edition? Third Edition? Sixth Edition? They seem to change every edition.

[Yoda]

Just got my Golf Digest with the Plummer Bennett stuff in it. They need to be on this site . . .

Bucket,

They are on this site. Just not posting.