Real Book Errors

[neil]

Neil,

And you thought I was going to delete your post...

But...jeez...looking back I probably should have for your own protection.

I'm sorry I wasn't quicker on the trigger son. Best of luck.

Was Kelley right???
Absolutely...Until someone proves him wrong.

All I've heard is a bunch of sabres rattling by self-professed "smart" guys with no proof presented other than..."trust me...Homer is wrong".

I believe this thread has been started in the spirit of moving G.O.L.F. science forward by either standing on Homers shoulders and adding to the knowledge base, or proving one or more of his fundamental theories incorrect. Either way, its a valiant effort.

Again...Best of luck.

Maybe you should have done Bagger! -Did he REALLY say" intergalactic pimpdaddy of the year" ?

[Bigwill]

To quote page 5 of the 6th edition:-
"As a term is specifically defined herein,that is the basic connotation which is always a dictionary definition but not necessarily that of physics,electrical ,etc.And the dictionary is generally considered a standard of precision.Scientific terms in quotes denotes a loose application with obvious intent,because no better term seems available .Measurements given herein are for the golf course rather than the laboratory but the laboratory will show them well within acceptable tolerances.Clarity and usefulness are the only motive.The result is that this book provides a complete ,unified golfing terminology."

You should probably post this on every site that talks about TGM, particularly in reference to the terminology. People, especially the "scientific types" (no offense), get so hung up on this term or that term that isn't used "correctly", that they miss the point of whatever sentence/paragraph it's used in. Ever heard the phrase "can't see the forest for the trees"? Sure, some of the phrases/terms aren't correct strict scientific sense, but Homer says that himself. I think that if more people approached TGM from a practical standpoint, as it relates to improving your golf swing, then there wouldn't be so much drama in the TGM community. Theory is fine to discuss on internet boards, etc. But when it comes down to it, if it works on the golf course for you, then how wrong can it be (whether it's theoritcally correct or not)?

[neil]

You should probably post this on every site that talks about TGM, particularly in reference to the terminology. People, especially the "scientific types" (no offense), get so hung up on this term or that term that isn't used "correctly", that they miss the point of whatever sentence/paragraph it's used in. Ever heard the phrase "can't see the forest for the trees"? Sure, some of the phrases/terms aren't correct strict scientific sense, but Homer says that himself. I think that if more people approached TGM from a practical standpoint, as it relates to improving your golf swing, then there wouldn't be so much drama in the TGM community. Theory is fine to discuss on internet boards, etc. But when it comes down to it, if it works on the golf course for you, then how wrong can it be (whether it's theoritcally correct or not)?

"unified golfing terminology" -I believe that's all Mr Kelly wanted to do , whilst making the science reasonably explainable to golf pros and ,consequently, their students.
With greatest respect ,not all golf Pros are technically or scientifically minded.
As I said in a previous post-Mr Kelly wrote in a language that was designed to be consistent terminology.I have had 6 different teachers who told me the same thing in 6 different ways.
Since October 2005 I have had lessons from Lynn,Ted ,Jeff &VJ(Trolio).They all spoke the same language-if you wanted them to .Having said that, I would guess that if you weren't into learning the book ,you would just get a great lesson and not much mention of the terminology.
I wanted to understand the book-and at the Old Waverly Academy ,where Lynn ,Ted and Vj ,standing in the locker room went through the 12 stations with Yoda calling the stations ,without looking at one another ,in perfect unison.I was hooked on -"unified golfing terminology".
NOT scientific exactness.

[golfbulldog]

[quote=neil;45532]"unified golfing terminology" -I believe that's all Mr Kelly wanted to do , whilst making the science reasonably explainable to golf pros and ,consequently, their students.
.......I was hooked on -"unified golfing terminology".
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With unified golfing terminology you should be able to give the lesson down the phone line... the terms are specific and graphic. In medicine ( another profession with highly specific language) students are taught to describe disease or xrays in a similar manner so that as a junior Doc, quaking in your boots at 3AM as the life drains out of your poor patient .... you can calmly ring your boss, who is tucked up in bed at home , and get some specific advice!! It usually works but you had better be specific and disciplined in your use of terminology... otherwise the patient might die... or worse still your boss might have to get out of bed!!!

Unified and specific language - This is one of Homers greatest achievements.

[neil]

[quote=golfbulldog;45533]

"unified golfing terminology" -I believe that's all Mr Kelly wanted to do , whilst making the science reasonably explainable to golf pros and ,consequently, their students.
.......I was hooked on -"unified golfing terminology".
QUOTE]


With unified golfing terminology you should be able to give the lesson down the phone line... the terms are specific and graphic. In medicine ( another profession with highly specific language) students are taught to describe disease or xrays in a similar manner so that as a junior Doc, quaking in your boots at 3AM as the life drains out of your poor patient .... you can calmly ring your boss, who is tucked up in bed at home , and get some specific advice!! It usually works but you had better be specific and disciplined in your use of terminology... otherwise the patient might die... or worse still your boss might have to get out of bed!!!

Unified and specific language - This is one of Homers greatest achievements.

Big coincidence in your analogy-I had surgery on Tuesday!
Are you a Surgeon /Doctor?
It doesn't matter what you tell the patient-as long as he / she understands the "post op" procedure.

[nuke99]

Since I am not qualified to judge the book. I had benifited from it nonetheless and been exposed to a multitude of opinions.

Now, my question is, who is truly qualified to judge this book?

[neil]

Since I am not qualified to judge the book. I had benifited from it nonetheless and been exposed to a multitude of opinions.

Now, my question is, who is truly qualified to judge this book?

Those who take the time and trouble to understand it-for what it is,not for a scientifically correct "there is only one perfect swing " book.
For those who do take the time,there is something to be learned .I cannot think of one swing that cannot be classified in the book.
Mr Kelly never says any way is perfect-BUT THE GOAL is to get more and more PRECISE.

IMO -if you benefited you are qualified to judge what you understand.

[golfbulldog]

[quote=neil;45538]

Big coincidence in your analogy-I had surgery on Tuesday!
Are you a Surgeon /Doctor?
It doesn't matter what you tell the patient-as long as he / she understands the "post op" procedure.

Surgeon - hope you are recovering well from your op!

[12 piece bucket]

[quote=golfbulldog;45557]

Surgeon - hope you are recovering well from your op!

Oh boy . . . you shouldn't have let that cat out of the bag . . . you can expect to have your inbox flooded with some very very strange requests from one Mike Olberstankie. I can guarantee you he's out on the side of the highway nekkid picking up cans saving up for the "BIG" operation right now. He showed up at the last on-line surgeon's office wearing just . . . peanut butter.

That was a VERY big mistake. Change the locks on the doors. And run like hell if you start smelling something that has the stinch of the circus mixed with Drakkar and Vic's Vapor Rub. There will be much wailing and knashing of teeth.

[neil]

[quote=golfbulldog;45557]

Surgeon - hope you are recovering well from your op!

Thanks ,apparently it went well-seeing the surgeon on Wednesday.