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07-13-2005, 10:47 PM
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Re: downplane shoulder
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
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Thanks Yodasluke,
That makes sense to stop the right shoulder after it picks up momentum so that it can function as the back of the cannon from which the right arm can thrust downplane. Can you tell me about how far does the right shoulder move down the turned shoulder plane before it stops? Thanks in advance!
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Make sure it's as short as possible, then make it shorter. The only way that I was able to get it was to use zero pivot for about two weeks. It's much harder to make it too short than to allow it to travel too far.
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Dear Ted,
Does the right shoulder stop thrusting or does it literally stop moving down the turned shoulder plane when the right arm starts extending? When I watch videos it seems that the right shoulder really never stops moving, but maybe it stops thrusting. Just need a little fog lifting 
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07-14-2005, 02:03 PM
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Lynn Blake Certified Master Instructor
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Re: uncocking left wrist
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
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Dear Ted,
How active is your left wrist when it goes from FLV at impact to flat uncocked and vertical at low point as you drive down to Bejing?
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There was a time that I had to think about uncocking the left wrist, but it was only because I had been taught that lag was created by holding on for dear life. I had, originally, a bad concept. The drive loading should uncock the left wrist, but mine did not. I used basic motion to get the feel of the uncocking wrist. In my total motion I feel as if the golf club is telescoping away from my chest. I have a constant feeling of DOWN until the end of follow-through.
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Ted,
Could you please give us a bit more on how you trained yourself to get to fully Uncocked? I think this is something that very few do or even know the importance of. FULL LEVER EXTENSION is where it's at. I'm still trying to get there, but it seems to take a lot of work and trust.
Please school us more.
Muchas!
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As Homer said, 'look, look, look.' Train it in a basic motion and look at the wrist. If the left wrist doesn't look uncocked, make it uncock and KEEP IT FLAT. Find that static position for which you're looking (the finish) which is follow-through for basic motion. Homer wouldn't even teach someone to make a total motion, if they couldn't achieve a chip with the proper components. Too many people try to grab the bull by the horns. Don't try new things in a total motion until they are mastered in a basic motion. There are bulls that when grabbed by the horns will slobber on you. Golf is one of those bulls.
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07-21-2005, 11:33 PM
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Re: shoulder moving downplane
I feel as though my right forearm has to pass my body before I get to arrive at finish. If the right shoulder actively continues downplane the right arm can't catch up. It doesn't take much centrifugal force for the right arm to be draging instead of driving.[/quote]
If the right forearm passes the body to arrive at finish, is it fair to say that the pivot in hitting is not doing much yet? Are the hips still angled to right field while the right forearm crosses the chest? 
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07-22-2005, 07:21 PM
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Re: shoulder moving downplane
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
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I feel as though my right forearm has to pass my body before I get to arrive at finish. If the right shoulder actively continues downplane the right arm can't catch up. It doesn't take much centrifugal force for the right arm to be draging instead of driving.
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If the right forearm passes the body to arrive at finish, is it fair to say that the pivot in hitting is not doing much yet? Are the hips still angled to right field while the right forearm crosses the chest?  [/quote]
The right hip does stayed cleared in the startdown, 10-14-B, slide. This might give the sensation that they stay that way until impact, but in reality they do not.
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07-23-2005, 08:31 AM
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Do you feel as though the hips are performing "action" or just "motion?" Do you sense that they are supplying power or just playing a supportive roll? 
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07-24-2005, 07:16 PM
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I was working on my hitting motion this week and found that when I focused on my hands swinging past my chin before I fired the hips, I could really 'snap' the hips and thrust the right arm from impact to separation.
Perhaps what some have called the 'launching pad', which for me was very much felt as left hip and right forearm synchronized power through impact.
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03-22-2006, 03:21 AM
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Originally Posted by EdZ
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I was working on my hitting motion this week and found that when I focused on my hands swinging past my chin before I fired the hips, I could really 'snap' the hips and thrust the right arm from impact to separation.
Perhaps what some have called the 'launching pad', which for me was very much felt as left hip and right forearm synchronized power through impact.
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Ed, trust me when i say you'll know if you are using the launching pad to the full effect when it happens.
It LITERALLY feels like someone pushed you in the right shoulder (backwards) going through impact.
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08-06-2005, 12:47 AM
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When Hitting with 10-5-E using Angled Hinging would the clubface be closed to the crossline plane at the Top, since Angled Hinging has a "no roll" feel? If so does Extensor Action merely drive the shut clubface to Aiming Point? 
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08-07-2005, 11:05 PM
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Re: downplane shoulder
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
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Originally Posted by YodasLuke
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Originally Posted by johngolf33
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Thanks Yodasluke,
That makes sense to stop the right shoulder after it picks up momentum so that it can function as the back of the cannon from which the right arm can thrust downplane. Can you tell me about how far does the right shoulder move down the turned shoulder plane before it stops? Thanks in advance!
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Make sure it's as short as possible, then make it shorter. The only way that I was able to get it was to use zero pivot for about two weeks. It's much harder to make it too short than to allow it to travel too far.
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Would it make sense to see where the right shoulder is at impact fix and move it to that point on the downswing and stop?
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I'd be really careful about finding a pre-selected point in the downstroke to stop the shoulder. You're going down the road of distracting yourself from your hands. Give your hands an assignment first. Then see if your body accomodates.
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03-21-2006, 11:06 PM
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Is there is way to determine how much divergence there is between the target line and the Crossline plane of 10-5-E when using different club? It seems as though the farther back in the stance the ball is placed the more Crossline the Delivery line will be. 
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