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Old 03-01-2006, 09:12 PM
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TGM waggles
Do any of the videos in the gallery demonstrate the TGM over -the-ball and downstroke waggles? If not, Yoda, will your DVD include these when it is ready?

Also, I've been thinking about this. I can understand that the conventional waggle could actually encourage flipping, although that doesn't seem to be a problem for tour pros, most of whom seem to use it, as far as I can tell. However, couldn't the argument be made that the TGM over-the-ball waggle could lead to poor contact, at least for hackers, as the target for the waggle would be different than the target for the actual swing?

Along somewhat similar lines, is it improper etiquette to take a divot when making a practice swing? If so, then why rehearse a different swing than you are actually planning to make?

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Old 03-03-2006, 10:45 AM
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Thoughts On the Pre-Shot Routine
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Do any of the videos in the gallery demonstrate the TGM over -the-ball and downstroke waggles? If not, Yoda, will your DVD include these when it is ready?

Along somewhat similar lines, is it improper etiquette to take a divot when making a practice swing? If so, then why rehearse a different swing than you are actually planning to make?
Homer Kelley taught an Arms Waggle, not a Wrist Waggle. He emphasized the Flying Wedge alignments and Hinge Action and was adamantly opposed to a Waggle that encouraged any Flattening of the Right Wrist. As he told me, "You don't do that in your actual Swing. You shouldn't do it in your Waggle. It has a purpose!"

Regarding the DVD, I have not yet recorded a demonstration of the three-step Address Routine of 3-F-5 (Practice Stroke, Waggle and Forward Press). It is a good idea, though, and needs to be done. I might add that Homer felt that these preliminaries (including Impact Fix) might ultimately be bypassed by skilled players. Once the alignments have been learned and have become subconscious, their purpose has largely been served.

Your question regarding the Practice Stroke is an interesting one. Personally, I use it primarily to rehearse the degree of Pivot Motion (Zero, Partial or Total) and the location of the Hands at Station Two (the Top) and Station Three (the Finish). In other words, a rehearsal of the boundaries of the Total Motion and the Feel of the respective Zones (Body, Arms and Hands). And always, from the Top, the Feel of 'dragging my wet mop' -- the correct Clubhead Lag Pressure Feel. It is the first Programming Routine of Chapter 14.

Again in my own case, the basic Practice Stroke is a just a light Lag Pressure 'pass' -- usually in conjuction with a Start Down Waggle -- and with only a sliver of turf being taken (but still a definite Downward Motion). I am particularly mindful of Impact Geometry with the short Pitch Shots -- especially Lob Shots with the Ball positioned at Low Point -- and also shots from uneven Lies where I want to make sure of my Impact Point and Low Point. Then I might make several Strokes, watching exactly where the Arc bottoms out. To speed play, I do all this whenever possible as others are playing.

Also, I do the Practice Stroke away from the Ball, not over it, simply because I don't like being "in the presence of the Ball" very long. Unlike my early days where I was agonizingly slow in my Pre-Shot Routine, I now get right with it, and once I step to the Ball, it is gone within a few seconds.
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:03 PM
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Ya I'd like to see this TGM Waggle too Lynn...

All this talk of it has me curious.
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:18 PM
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Stuart Appleby's TGM Waggle
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Ya I'd like to see this TGM Waggle too Lynn...

All this talk of it has me curious.

Get a clip of Stuart Appleby and watch his Waggle. John Riegger told me he was on the Putting Green with Stuart at the Nissan and asked him if he was familiar with TGM. He said he was not, but his Waggle sure looks like it!
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Old 03-03-2006, 01:57 PM
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Wait, did I read that correctly?

Stuart Appleby, one of the best 'models' of Homer's work, claims he is not familiar with it?

Interesting. What would the odds be that you would come up with a pattern like his without having been influenced by TGM?

I suppose I could say the same for my dad's motion though. Pure flying wedges, and a nice TGM waggle. A great hitter who doesn't like 'all that technical stuff'.

So it is possible to find the same pattern. I guess the laws of physics and geometry apply then. Geez...who would guess eh?
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I must agree Teach i'd love to see a demonstration of the TMG waggle. I've looked at all the gallery videos but to my knowledge i didn't see it performed once.

I posted about it a while back and had it explained to me but i still don't really understand it, it seems such an awkward action to perform over the ball. I think it's one of those things that need to be seen to be understood.

For now i'm just sticking with my normal waggle, whether it encourages flipping or not i feel i have to do something to keep my wrists loose.
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