LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - An Ode to lag pressure Thread: An Ode to lag pressure View Single Post #6 02-26-2007, 10:17 AM Yoda Administrator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Atlanta, Georgia Posts: 10,681 Personal Pidgeonholes Originally Posted by golfbulldog Did Homer ever discuss the chip=pitch with Ben? Is it on any of Lynn's recordings? I'm sure it would have been discussed between them at some stage... just did not seem to make it into the book as part of basic motion curriculum. I guess because it is actually a form of acquired (ie you have acquired accumulator 2 a bit...) Homer Kelley never used the term "Chip-Pitch" in any of his three recorded Master Classes. He never used it personally with me, and I doubt he ever used it with Ben. My guess is that Ben came up with this term on his own to describe a Chip Shot with a bit of Wristcock (for a modest amount of additional Power). He uses it to bridge the gap between his "Chip" (a short Stroke with Zero Wristcock) and his full-fledged "Pitch" (a longer Stroke with Wristcock that is clearly out of the 'Chip' category). His "Punch" adds a strong Right Arm Thrust to the Stroke. With the exception of his chip-pitch hybrid, these terms have been in the golfing lexicon for centuries and create no conflict with TGM. Ben controls the length of the Stroke by varying the amount of "swivel" ("1/3 swivel, 2/3 swivel, full swivel"). Here, until Ben's meaning is understood, things can get a bit confusing for students of The Golfing Machine. His term "swivel" refers the amount of Hip Turn one would experience if sitting on a "swivel" chair from the end of the Follow-Through ("1/3 swivel"), into what he calls "Transfer Follow-Through" ("2/3 swivel") -- this is the Finish Swivel (of the Wrists) as defined in TGM -- and the Finish ("full swivel"). Now, TGM defines the Pivot Motion in terms of Zero, Partial and Full, but there is certainly nothing wrong with Ben's terms. As I've said, there is only a potential for confusion if the student does not know he is referring to Hip Swivel, not Forearm Swivel (which he is also markedly doing as he demonstrates). His term does not relate to the term as defined in the book, i.e., the independent "Roll" of the Hands and Wrists from Release to Impact and also, from the end of the Follow-Through into the Finish (2-G; 4-D-0). In other words, the Swivel Action defined in TGM is a true rotation of the Hands (not the Body) into and out of the Impact Interval. It is thus differentiated from the Hinge Action that occurs during the Impact Interval (wherein the Flat Left Wrist simply remains perpendicular to one of the Three Basic Planes of Motion, i.e., Horizontal, Angled or Vertical). Swivel Action is made possible by the Swivel 'joint' in the Left Forearm (Sketch 2-K #4). __________________ Yoda Yoda View Public Profile Send a private message to Yoda Visit Yoda's homepage! Find all posts by Yoda