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This is an interesting study. I have noticed that with many of the Max Trigger Delay players, that the right shoulder stays high longer into the downswing-- Hogan, Garcia, Clampett, O'Grady... and some of the Plummer and Bennett players, like Baddeley, have some of this. One of the questions here, is how do these players get the club down to Release Point? If the right shoulder is not bringing the club down, then some other part of the Pivot is, unless they have an arm drop independent of the Pivot... either with the Straightening Right Arm, or Gravity.

What do you think?

No I think you are sniffin' on it HARD man . . . Seems to me that trigger delay can be greater if the right shoulder stays higher longer . . .BUT the key is what plane angle are you on . . . those guys you mentioned are elbow plane guys. So they kinda stay more on top of it and spin open more . . . Why plane angle . . . Hands and club have to get out more and then go in and around more. Some dudes do go elbow plane and hang back . . . Elk and Faxon would be examples. They really push their hands forward.

Look at the differences in the these two motions . . .

Hogan looks way more forward and right shoulder higher longer . . . more trigger delay . .. steeper angle of attack . . . flatter plane . . . more rotary . . . right shoulder goes down later . . . if it went down early he'd be stuck and too under plane and never be able to get his hands going around to the left enough to comply with the plane. Hands in and down at top . .. exit low and left but ON PLANE.


Nicklaus' shoulder goes down right from the jump . . . has to or the club will be out and over . . . head stays back . . . sweepy release . . . hands are high at top . . club exits high and hands go high