LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Planes, Lines, and Words Thread: Planes, Lines, and Words View Single Post #26 06-19-2008, 11:03 AM Jeff Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 701 Okie I think that this difference between impact and address hand/clubshaft alignments gets markedly minimized (or eliminated) if one uses a zero-plane shift swing with a steep clubshaft plane (eg. on turned shoulder plane). I have never seen a swing video of a golfer who has a zero-plane shift swing on the turned shoulder plane. The only zero-plane shift swing I have seen is Moe Norman's swing. You can see that More stretches his arms out at address and his clubshaft-at-address plane is higher than the hand plane. The photo-series shows only the backswing and he stays on a single plane during the entire backswing. During the downswing, he comes down that same plane and he ends up on the clubshaft-at-address plane at impact. Brian Gay also has close to a zero-plane shift swing. Brian Gay also holds his hands high at address, and doesn't have much plane shift during the backswing (his hands end up just under the turned shoulder plane at the end-backswing). He then comes down to the same clubshaft-at-address plane (elbow plane) at impact. Jeff. Jeff View Public Profile Find all posts by Jeff