[12 piece bucket]

I went outside to give it a whirl. That is a mega-open stance line, no?

Depends on how much layback you want . . . can be. I just adjust until I feel comfortable with the "look" of the shaft lean. Sometimes not so much open sometimes lots open. Depends on the shot.

Just imagine that face angle magnet deal on the sweetspot. So if you want to just "knock the breath outta the ball" . . . then lay it back. Lay it back so that stick out of the sweet spot is pointing UP and not so much forward. But obviously you want to set the face for the shot. This way you can basically use a technique that you are used to (keeping the left wrist flat right wrist bent) and not have to do some major hand stuff to get the club to lay back.

I have always loved to hit basic motion chips. But the problem is when you have that much shaft lean it's really easy to hit chips that are too "drivey". It was really good for low checkers. But not so good for other stuff. So when I had to use lay back I strugged because to lay it back enough the handle had to back up. But with this deal you basically "pre-lay it back." Then you put the basic motion move on it with an open stance.

But when I lay it way back or open it way up I don't like the way the shaft looks. It looks like flip city waitin' to happen. So just open up until you feel comfortable. The ball has no idea what your stance is. And if your stance causes you to swing really left . . . not really a big deal because we are hitting a short shot and not really worrying about curving it. We want to get the energy going UP not forward so much. Plus hit helps you hit it "spinny" too.

This thread was originally about clubface contol. I think mostly interms of full shots. But I'd say the closer you get to the hole the more dominate the face relationship is. Chips and pitches pretty much don't deviate from the way the face is looking at separation. So it's more of a loft deal and a spin deal. No curving to worry about really. I guess the path is significant. But more interms of spin and trajectory than direction.