LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - Pivot - couple of very interesting studies Thread: Pivot - couple of very interesting studies View Single Post #16 05-03-2010, 10:57 PM innercityteacher Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,900 Hi OB. Did you just say that... I can educate my hands to travel the correct path to the ball if I can take ppt #3 to the ball, effectively? Patrick Originally Posted by O.B.Left Im in total agreement with all that. My first paragraph concerned the backstroke. The difference lies in the notion of the Right Shoulder being on Plane in Startdown as opposed to a notion of the Plane of the Shoulders being aligned to the Inclined Plane. The first one is genius, the second .............awkward. Im all for a Standard Shoulder Turn and a Turned Shoulder Plane. Flat back and then On Plane going down. The Plane of the Shoulders and the Plane of Motion of the Hands do not need to be aligned. My apologies to Jim Hardy although I think the One Planers align the Plane of the Shoulders to the Plane of the Left ARm and Homer didnt have either of those components on his Inclined Plane. For a Standard Shoulder Turn , in Startup, the Right Shoulder will turn IN on a flat path and the Right Arm will fan BACK, IN and bend UP. They dont move in the same direction. Their vectors are divergent. The on plane force is resultant but under direction of the Brain through its outpost in the Hands, the Pressure Points. Just like hitting a tennis ball. You dont align your pivot to the ball, you align your hand path (or the racquet heads extension of it) to the balls path. The pivot still contributes greatly but its the Hand path that is aligned. Hands to Pivot is obvious in all applications except for golf for some reason. The legacy of the one piece takeaway , or a misconception of it maybe? Shoulder turn takeaway takes the Hands in the direction the Shoulders are traveling........always under plane..........although some people try to align the Shoulders Plane to the Inclined Plane to correct the Hand Path.........which is unnecessary. Just Trace with your brain in your #3 and let 'em go in their own direction, going back anyways. See the McDonald drills. In Startdown its a different story assuming the TSP. There the Right Shoulder and the Hands meet up on the Inclined Plane at Top and travel down plane together in Startdown under the power of the Right Shoulder. But still under the direction of the Brain via the Hands. Basically if your Tracing you're Hands to Pivot. See the glossaries definition of the Pivot. __________________ HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day! innercityteacher View Public Profile Send a private message to innercityteacher Find all posts by innercityteacher