LynnBlakeGolf Forums - View Single Post - pivot controlled hands elbow plane a subconscious procedure? Thread: pivot controlled hands elbow plane a subconscious procedure? View Single Post #3 08-30-2010, 09:50 PM O.B.Left Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3,433 Bunch of great questions there , Whip. Which require great answers. Sorry, for being the first responder. My first girl friend was French and so I subscribe to the Good Samaritans Law. Im not a Doctor but I will try to not kill you. Fortunately for you, the information you seek is here and available via the search function with the poster being Lynn Blake. Remember Homer was talking in terms of a mechanical ideal in regard to zero shift. Something that would require a disregarded for lie angle and an Aligning of the Right Elbow , Forearm and the shaft to the TSP. A very high set of hands by normal standards. Lynn, if memory serves, has said that the Elbow Plane or Shaft Plane is "natural" and so the shift to and from the TSP to the Elbow Plane must be "natural" to my mind as well. But it important to note that Lynns TSP is located via a Flat Back Shoulder Turn, thereby minimizing Plane Shift. Flat Back and Down Plane being Standard Shoulder Turn, TSP. A TSP being the only way one can initiate Startdown with the shoulders, specifically the Right Shoulder and see it drag the Hands down the Inclined Plane. There is no other way. And so you have a very small shift, making it less hazardous so to speak. See Brian Gay from a DTL point of view for instance. Minimal shift, TSP , Elbow Plane at Impact. There's high elbow planes and there's low one's. I recall Homer talking about the (lower) Elbow Plane as being a "psychological preference" of some golfers. Meaning that for some reason they preferred it despite the fact that there was another more mechanically ideal way. But Homer firmly believed that for the weekend golfer anyways psychological or physical preferences where often better compensated for than challenged by the instructor. I bet if you were to take a series of lessons with Homer he'd never let you keep you Shoulder Turn Takeaway though....... Daryl's got some photos of guys making contact on the TSP .....it sure looks steep to my eye anyways. Hogan and Gay are Elbow Plane but minimal shift I'd say. O.B.Left View Public Profile Send a private message to O.B.Left Find all posts by O.B.Left