The "On Plane" Downstroke Shoulder Turn was recommended by Homer per Basic Patterns 12-1 and 12-2. Look at the photo in 10-13-D #3. The arrow is trying to show that the Right Shoulder is On Plane even to the End of Follow Through. Note that I'm assuming if the Shoulder is On Plane at the Top (10-13-D #2) and also On Plane at Follow Through (10-13-D #3), then it must be On Plane in between these two Sections also.
I know it also says "when the Shoulder can't quite reach the Plane, it is better to use a steeper Plane". I'm trying to say that almost everyone uses a steeper Plane after studying many photos of pros (I excluded anyone using a Double Shift since they will be using the Elbow Plane, so the Right Shoulder will obviously not be On Plane).
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Last edited by tongzilla : 10-26-2005 at 04:15 AM.
The "On Plane" Downstroke Shoulder Turn was recommended by Homer per Basic Patterns 12-1 and 12-2. Look at the photo in 10-13-D #3. The arrow is trying to show that the Right Shoulder is On Plane even to the End of Follow Through. Note that I'm assuming if the Shoulder is On Plane at the Top (10-13-D #2) and also On Plane at Follow Through (10-13-D #3), then it must be On Plane in between these two Sections also.
12-1 and 12-2 technically refer to 10-13-A, or Standard. A combination of 10-13-B and 10-13-D. So...at the top, you would have 10-13-B per 12-1 and 12-2.
Secondly...the arrow indeed is to indicate the right shoulder is on plane at the follow through - and though the pictures are to represent only that specific component, its easy to see that Diane has Zero #3 accumulator. Envision her adding it there - and if she did, there would be no way her right shoulder would be onplane.
Originally Posted by tongzilla
I know it also says "when the Shoulder can't quite reach the Plane, it is better to use a steeper Plane". I'm trying to say that almost everyone uses a steeper Plane after studying many photos of pros (I excluded anyone using a Double Shift since they will be using the Elbow Plane, so the Right Shoulder will obviously not be On Plane).
I agree. My point was #3 accumulator - and if the amount of #3 accumulator is greater then the amount of axis tilt, seems to me it is nearly impossible to anatomically have the right shoulder onplane at impact. Both arms straight is an entirely different story....
Also. In 10-13-D, Homer never says the right shoulder is onplane at impact. He says AFTER A 10-13_B or 10-13-C Backstroke Shoulder Turn, the right shoulder moves toward Impact precisely on the preselected Downstroke Clubshaft Plane, establishing and supporting the Power Package Delivery alignments"
I believe the follow through is only merely to show what 'onplane' means...not necessarily to infer the right shoulder is onplane at impact. Especially considering he never states that.
8-7, the Start Down, specifically implies it is the period in which the initial move towards impact.
I am of the opinion that, while we have to sift through the rubble, Homer was more concerned about the initial move down then he was on the location of the right shoulder at impact. Although I could see - with minimal #3 accumulator and alot of axis tilt, it reaching the plane at impact.
Its a great question Tong, really is. And appears to be a puzzle we need to put together. Thoughts?
Originally Posted by tongzilla
Finally found one:
That doesnt look like a true down the line pic to me - it is slightly angled, plus it also looks like he is at low point.
I have some pics -Els, Love, Normal, Tiger...just need some help posting them. All have their right shoulder steeper then the shaft at impact.
Last edited by phillygolf : 10-26-2005 at 07:07 PM.
12-1 and 12-2 technically refer to 10-13-A, or Standard. A combination of 10-13-B and 10-13-D. So...at the top, you would have 10-13-B per 12-1 and 12-2.
Yes! That is why I said emphasised the word Downstroke in my last post! In fact, the photo in 10-13-D #2 is suppose to illustrate the same point as the one in 10-13-B #2, in the sense that they both represent a 10-13-B backstroke shoulder turn (even though 10-13-D #2 can also represent a 10-13-C backstroke shoulder turn, but it doesn't. Hope that doesn't confuse anyone!)
Originally Posted by phillygolf
Secondly...the arrow indeed is to indicate the right shoulder is on plane at the follow through - and though the pictures are to represent only that specific component, its easy to see that Diane has Zero #3 accumulator.
There is Accumulator #3 in the photo of 10-13-D #3! This is because the Right Forearm is On Plane (and as long as the grip is in the cup of the right hand, regardless of wrist condition) and by definition the Left Arm cannot be On Plane at the same time.
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