Just plane confused!

[jrbjr6]

Dear Mr Bucket-


First, thank you for your posts. I have learned so much from you.

Your post #7 on "Just Plane Confused" could be one of the best one ever written on this forum.

As the posts developed after that I got more confused especially after okie posted.

Eventually you responded to him with this statement:

You are having some issues with Grip Type, the #3 Accumulator (the angle and how it works), and Wrist Action/Hand Action.

I'd say we need to start with your grip type because that is going to have a huge impact on how your hands HAVE to move during the Release Motions.

How do you have your hand on the club pop intruction "strong" or pop instruction "weak"? See the pics on 10-2-B vs 10-2-D grip types.

This really got my incubator going as I thought that I had a commanded on these subjects.

So I'll bite. I have a 10-2-D grip. Could you respond with # 3 accumulator (angle and how it works) as well as wrist and hand action compatible with 10-2-D. I am a swinger if that matters.

Thanks,


Jim Burke

[12 piece bucket]

Dear Mr Bucket-


First, thank you for your posts. I have learned so much from you.

Your post #7 on "Just Plane Confused" could be one of the best one ever written on this forum.

As the posts developed after that I got more confused especially after okie posted.

Eventually you responded to him with this statement:

You are having some issues with Grip Type, the #3 Accumulator (the angle and how it works), and Wrist Action/Hand Action.

I'd say we need to start with your grip type because that is going to have a huge impact on how your hands HAVE to move during the Release Motions.

How do you have your hand on the club pop intruction "strong" or pop instruction "weak"? See the pics on 10-2-B vs 10-2-D grip types.

This really got my incubator going as I thought that I had a commanded on these subjects.

So I'll bite. I have a 10-2-D grip. Could you respond with # 3 accumulator (angle and how it works) as well as wrist and hand action compatible with 10-2-D. I am a swinger if that matters.

Thanks,


Jim Burke

J.B.

Here's a post I did awhile back on Throw Out (which is what us Swingers do) . . . This is how BUCKET thinks it works . . . may not be HOW it works or exactly HOW THE BOOK says it works . . . but I think it's close.

So this is the theory part. Next I'll give you how your 10-2-D Grip has to work with the theory . . .

throw out must happen on-plane . . . so it is On-Plane Throw Out. Throw Out can certainly be given over to CF for sure. But I think that many (me included) neglect to understand that the #3 Accumulator Roll/Swivel prior to Low Point is an OUTWARD motion. One of the most difficult things to learn is to Roll and Swivel while maintaining a relationship to straight Plane Line. I'm not sure that you can just turn that over to CF at least in the steeper learning curve portion of a G.O.L.F.er's life. If you Roll and Swivel underplane you just executed the #1 Snare . . . Steering. Uncock (extend the lever) down and out on plane to the plane line . . . roll out on plane to low point.

Another misconception that I think I'm starting to hatch in the incubator is that deemed #2 is the Velocity Accumulator . . . NOT because the uncocking happens fast. But because the Uncocking is simply an extension of the radius . . . and since the clubhead is at the end of the radius it speed is increased geometrically as a result of being further from the axis of rotation. So it is simply lever extension . . . not necessarily any great effort or need to happen "fast". As a result of the extension (fleeing from center) the clubhead's speed increases. But also as a result of the extension and the law of conservation of angular momentum, the angular velocity of the entire system slows down because the radius is extended. So you can't make it speed up around the CIRCLE but you will get speed as a result of the extension of the lever assembly with the clubhead being farther from the center of rotation.

So basically don't try to speed it up around the circle . . . you can't. Just extend the lever assembly DOWNPLANE and as a result the clubhead has to go faster. But the entire unit moves around the circle SLOWER in compliance with law. Angular Momentum = Mass X Angular Velocity X Radius . . . Radius is bigger . . . mass is constant . . . so Angular Velocity MUST go down inorder to conserve momentum. But the Tangential Velocity (linear velocity) is increasing because the point of the radius is farther from the center of the circle.

And . . .

A Wrist Throw is pretty much exclusively a Swinger's procedure. And it is very much with respect to the Left Wrist if we are talking a right handed player.

If you want to see what a Wrist Throw is just go pick up your hammer and make that motion like hammering a board. That's it. For a Golf like motion you just hammer on an Inclined Plane of motion rather than a Vertical Plane. The wrist makes the exact same motion your left hand is just turned to the plane.

For the Swinger the Wrist Throw is actuated via CF and then the #3 Accumulator (Roll) picks up the residual speed hence the name Transfer Power. The Velocity Accumulator (#2) is a very short motion. Just make a left hand hammering motion without moving your arm at all. #2 is just inches from full extension at all times.

To get the Wrist Throw down without breaking down the Left Arm Flying Wedge you DON'T FOLLOW THE UNCOCKING (DOWNARD MOTION) WITH A HORIZONTAL MOTION (FLIP) . . . YOU FOLLOW THE UNCOCKING WITH A ROTATION (ROLL OF THE #3 ACCUMULATOR). You may have to learn this in sequence (sequenced release) Uncock then Roll all on the same line as in a Non-Automatic Release. Once you can perform the Motions then you can jack it up with physics and perform an Automatic Snap Release by using an Aiming Point procedure.

So G.O.L.F is essentially hammering on an inclined plane . . . .

[12 piece bucket]

Here's a GREAT POST from Lynn on how it works for 10-2-D . .. Go get your hammer, put it in your left hand and turn the head so it's facing left . ..

Experiment with a 10-2-B Left Hand and a 10-2-D Left Hand . . . . this will give you a visual of how it has to work.

Colonel,

Put a 10-2-D Grip -- Left Wrist Turned On Plane -- on a hammer whose head faces to the left. Then, drive a nail into a wall on your left. That is 'Throwing the Clubface at the Ball'. And it's a good thing. In fact, if you've got a 10-2-D Grip, it's the only thing! Through Impact, there is only Uncocking (Wrist Motion) and zero Roll (Hand Motion).

The quote from 4-D-0 (Release Motions) assumes the 10-2-B Grip (Left Wrist Vertical to the ground). Unlike the Release Motion required by the 10-2-D Grip (Wrist Motion only), the On Plane Uncocking of the Left Wrist (Wrist Motion) must be followed by the Roll of the #3 Accumulator Angle (Hand Motion). This Sequenced Release simultaneously returns the Left Wrist to Vertical and Squares the Clubface.

To alternatively square the Clubface by 'throwing' the Club past a Bending Left Wrist -- a Horizontal Wrist Motion -- is as disastrous as it is common. This is a different 'throw' -- ThrowAWAY! -- and it is far different than the Swinger's Release Wrist Throw (a Perpendicular Wrist Motion).

So keep in mind this is HOW IT works . . . not necessarily your procedure. BUT I think that you can easier make it your procedure with a 10-2-D grip because you don't have any Swiveling to account for.

I have found that after you get this going into your motion for awhile, you may end up with TOO MUCH OUT. At that point you have to focus on Karate Chopping (Hammering) and taking your Karate Chop "around the corner" with your Pivot and Hand Path.

So after you work on this awhile . . . if you start hitting it "hooky" or "pushy" and missing it fat then you know you've overcooked the out part by having the arms run away from you and getting too much Axis Tilt and too soon.

[okie]

As the posts developed after that I got more confused especially after okie posted.

What part did I play in the confusion process? Let me make amends!

[jrbjr6]

Okie-

Sorry that should have read 3Putt, and my thinking was in line with what he was saying. Keep up the posting, you throw out your fair of gold nuggets.

[okie]

Phew, my TGM legs are shaky as it is! But I gotta say that for some reason it is important to me (and many others no doubt) that 3putt get satisfactory answers, being a fellow seeker and all. Don't exercise option c, 3putt...hang in there! I am telling you that this IS the best site in golfdom.

[Daryl]

Dear Bucket,

This exercise is not intended for you because you know this stuff. But I’m writing you because you need to get 6” Bread Plate for this exercise. When you go to a Restaurant that offers cloth napkins, the Bread Plate is the smaller one about 6” in diameter and is placed to the left of the Big Plate that your meal is served on. Your Forks point to the Bread Plate. That’s the opposite side from your water glass. Normally, at KFC, they don’t give you a bread plate. Your bread is in a little box that comes with the big bucket of chicken.

Hinging for Beginners Simplified Explanation (Daryleze)

This is something I do to fine tune my Hinging options. I practice this a couple of time per week just to keep my thinking straight and Fine Tune my Right Hand Grip for the Hinge option I choose for a particular shot.

Hinging is the geometric motion of the clubface going through Impact. Rhythm is when the Clubface geometry at separation is a mirror image of the clubface geometry at Impact. Throw-away occurs when it is not.

Get a 6” diameter Bread Plate. Hold the rim of the plate in your Left Hand with the Face of the Plate against your Left Hand Palm and Wrist. This is a Left Hand Only thing to see Hinging Motions. Your Right Arm or Hand isn’t touching the Plate for this exercise. Just keep them away to understand the basic visuals of Hinging motion.

The Plate is your Clubface and your Left Wrist is Flat when holding the Plate.
Get into Posture at Impact Fix.

Horizontal Hinge: Move your Left Arm to the Right about 12”, and then to the Left as you go through Impact and 12" past. The Plate must Stay Vertical to the Ground so you will need to Turn your Hand slightly as you move to the Right and Roll your Hand as you move your Arm to the Left. Notice the Opening and Closing Only motions of the Plate. It doesn’t tilt.

Angled Hinging: Your Arm moves to the Right and then to the Left but does Not Turn or Roll. When you move your Left Arm to the Right, then the Face of the Plate still Faces the Ball (The Plate is no longer Vertical to the Ground). As you move your Hand to the Left, the Plate is Vertical to the Ground at Impact but then as you continue through Impact, notice that the Plate Closes and Lays-Back. After Impact, the Back of the Plate Faces the Ball.

Vertical Hinging: You get the idea; the Plate stays Perpendicular to the wall in front of you.

[12 piece bucket]

Dear Bucket,

This exercise is not intended for you because you know this stuff. But I’m writing you because you need to get 6” Bread Plate for this exercise. When you go to a Restaurant that offers cloth napkins, the Bread Plate is the smaller one about 6” in diameter and is placed to the left of the Big Plate that your meal is served on. Your Forks point to the Bread Plate. That’s the opposite side from your water glass. Normally, at KFC, they don’t give you a bread plate. Your bread is in a little box that comes with the big bucket of chicken.

That's the bread plate!!! You gotta be kidding me!!! Man back in my courtin' days I'd always tell my lady friends . . . "yeah girl you can put your teeth right on that plate . . .that's what it's for."
Nothing hotter than a chick eatin' popcicles with her teeth on the bread plate.

What's a "napkin"? . . . is that some sort of family-reunion/orgy type deal? If I'm doing a "napkin" it ain't gonna be cloth . . . laytex man . . . and that cuzin better be hot or at least be able to make good biscuits.

[Daryl]

That's the bread plate!!! You gotta be kidding me!!! Man back in my courtin' days I'd always tell my lady friends . . . "yeah girl you can put your teeth right on that plate . . .that's what it's for."
Nothing hotter than a chick eatin' popcicles with her teeth on the bread plate.

What's a "napkin"? . . . is that some sort of family-reunion/orgy type deal? If I'm doing a "napkin" it ain't gonna be cloth . . . laytex man . . . and that cuzin better be hot or at least be able to make good biscuits.

[3Putt]

Daryl....

Hinging is the geometric motion of the clubface going through Impact.

Horizontal Hinge: Move your Left Arm to the Right about 12”, and then to the Left as you go through Impact and 12" past. The Plate must Stay Vertical to the Ground

Are you saying that horizontal hinging only applies for small portion of the arc around impact and not the entire swing?

3putt