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Old 06-15-2008, 04:03 AM
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Well Matthew, it sounds like you are an ectomorph as opposed to those natural builders, mesomorphs. So, calories, calories, calories! When I was building I at about 3500 calories a day and I am 5'4" and never weighed over 127lbs. I was also running daily in the Florida heat and I was just trying to keep my body from breaking into my muscles for fuel as my bodyfat was 16%.
To increase my size I had to cut my cardio way back, and I loved running on the beach; in Atlanta, not so much.

I would like to interject here that there are some really positive reports of late that indicate that Creatine is helpful in neurological disorders, heart health, fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue. The application of the supplement would be different than for this thread but for people that may not want to stay with the rest of the material I think it's worth consideration.

You received great advice so I won't revisit those issues. In order to set your calories we need your weight and your body composition to find your true metabolic energy cost for your activities. I need to know every exercise with the weight, reps and sets. I need to know your cardio workout schedule. And we will even factor in the thermic effect of your food so we need a journal of your existing calorie intake. To put on muscle weight you have to get really focused on eating frequent meals that are smaller but your body can metabolize all of the nutrients before you take in the next meal.
(You can only use a specific amount macro-nutrients at any one time so this insures that there is no excess to store as fat). Bodybuilders eat as many as 7 or 8 meals; yes they set the clock to take in a shake in the middle of the night. Potatoes, rice and beans, even pasta should accompany your cruceierous vegetables. Ofcourse you need to get good protein, red meat is the best resource for chromium picolinate and please don't forget to eat your good fats in fish and olive oil. You could still keep the butter and whole milk to a minimum so that you are building lean mass and not just weight on the scales.

Now, when you are sure that you have the nutritional component in place you need to be sure that you are working out enough to stimulate muscle growth. As Bagger said, this will require more recovery time so your sleep routine becomes critical. Especially for people with a high metabolism you need to allow your muscles time to recover from the micro-trauma of your exercise or you will be robbing Peter to pay Paul. You will need more recovery time than mesomorphs or endomorphs.

Creatine works better for some than others. I must begin by reminding people that there can be side effects that can inspire hypertension and a potential strain on the renal system so if you already have either of these issues the Creatine Monohydrate would be contra indicated. Your body already makes this amino acid but you have a limited capacity to store it so a challenging workout program often leaves your energy too low to train hard enough for your objective. I have never worked with anyone on Creatine that didn't feel stronger and more agressive in their workouts, even within the first week. You will also see significant enhancements in your muscle size immediately but this first week it will be water retention inside the muscles, not that subcutaneous, bloating water retention. I have seen as much as a five pound initial increase but the development will slow down the next week as you are now developing the muscles you have, hypertrophy, and potentially experiencing hyperplasia, actually building new muscle fiber. This has been contraversial but new studies are promising.

It is important to remember that the volumizing water retention in the first week requires that you replace the water that the muscle is pulling out of the blood stream. This also means that you have to pay attention to environmental dehydrating factors; like drinking coffee and tea and even enduring the heat. Rule of thumb is that you need a half cup of water, above your usual intake, for every fifteen minutes you are outside; this applies to winter as well. If you get dehydrated you could have some stomach upset and even cramping and constipation. If you are dehydrated by using the supplement and can't correct your fluid intake I don't recommend you take this effective supplement. I will also suggest that you drink distilled or reverse osmosis water instead of tap or spring; it is easier on the liver and you're going to be drinking a lot

You are going to love the power you bring to your workouts but take it easy as you increase your resistance. Only increase the weights by five percent per week so that your soft tissue can adapt.

There is a formula that has always worked for your goal to grow your size and insure that you are not taking any risks to the kidney and liver, It will also keep you from wasting your money as Creatine is not cheap (you want to be sure your chosen product is 99.5% pure) and if you are taking in more than your body can use it will be wasted, making your elimination system work too hard.

So in the first five days you want to take a loading dose, followed by signicantly less for the rest of the month and then you want to take two to four weeks off, often considered a washout phase. This is mostly precautionary but you will be able to own all of your muscle development. This lets your organs rest but be prepared to loose the volume from water retention but, again, the muscle fiber you gained will stay put as long as you keep training. Then you will repeat the cycle. So here's the formula:

Loading Phase
Five days of raising your existing creatine production by appx. 20%

1. Body weight in pounds divided by 2.2 equals body weight in kilograms
2. Body weight in kilograms times 0.3 equals your total grams of Creatine
3. Total Creatine in grams divided into four doses throughout the day (this is
all your body can assimilate at one time.

150 lbs. / 2.2 = 68.18 kg
68kg X 0.3 = 20.4g
20.4 / 4 = 5.1g Creatine dose throughout the day

Maintenance Phase
Day six reduce the dosage to maintain your progress; there is nothing to be gained by loading longer as your ability to assimilate diminishes.

Body weight in kilograms x 0.03 equals daily maintainance dose.

68 X 0.03 = 2g Creatine dose per day

WashOut Phase
You are stronger so take this time off Creatine to let your organs rest and enjoy the kick you will get when you resume.

You should take your Creatine AFTER your workout and mix it in some fruit juice. Grape juice seems to be the favorite because it has the most fructose thereby raising your insulin to push the creatine into the muscles. Some people recommend taking it with a high, complex carb meal but I like to get the nutrient in immediately. I also recommend taking advantage of the window of maximal amino acid uptake after a workout; up to about an hour. I would brown bag in these cases. I like to wait a bit then to have my carbs so that my body keeps burning fat for fuel; it just means less cardio.

Some people find that they gain muscle and simultaneously feel like they are leaner when they are on the creatine cycles. However, your calories are critical to grow and most competitive people keep a little more fat on while they are building and then lean out when they reach their objective.

Finally, I would recommend you take Branch Chain Amino Acids and Glutamine to maximize protein synthesis and Vitamin C in significant doses will help with repair and soreness. ofcourse, water, water!

I think that's enough for now. Keep us all posted,
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Old 06-15-2008, 06:46 AM
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Great post Vickie
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Old 06-15-2008, 09:18 AM
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I think that's enough for now. Keep us all posted,


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Old 06-15-2008, 02:59 PM
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Any questions?

I'm speechless.

Wow, she's good.
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Wow, alot more information than I could of hoped for

I'll have a read later on when get a chance to read more thoroughly.
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Old 06-16-2008, 08:43 PM
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Wow, alot more information than I could of hoped for

I'll have a read later on when get a chance to read more thoroughly.
Trust her, Mathew.

Vickie knows her stuff. In fact, of the many personal trainers and physical therapists I've been around in the past 30 years or so . . .

She's the best.

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Old 06-16-2008, 09:36 PM
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hi Mathew
Dear Mathew,

Quitting smoking might not hurt either.
Easier said than done and I'm not preaching.
But speaking as a former smoker I can tell you that adding muscle and adding to overall health is much easier when you quit smoking.
I did it four years ago and I know you can too if you haven't already.
Actually I psyched myself out, told myself I was "taking a break" and it's turned into a 4 year "break" so far, I never really "quit". But I got it out of my system.
Believe me your body will react in very positive ways over time and it's easier to put on muscle mass.

good health to you!

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Old 07-18-2008, 07:18 PM
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Matthew, We are all curious about your training with the creatine. How id it work for you? Did you have any profound changes or gastrointestinal issues? Was it easy to impliment? Did you use the other information I and others shared?

We like to keep up with progress.

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