The truth is he did not invent anything. He copied my pure swing guide and put two lasers in a pvc pipe. The green dot laser is nothing special and you can get the same results from a red dot laser or any dot laser.
Two Mag flash lights in a pvc pipe will do a better job and cost $30 tops. It will have some weight to it and kind of feel like a golf club which the Smart Stick does not.
With the Smart Stick or any dot laser trainers you need a mat with lines on it to show you the plane. Smart Stick will sell you that for an extra $50 bucks.
I on the other hand am a true inventor of quality swing trainers and have a 3-D laser trainer that feels like a club and shows you the base line, incline plane and club face rotation throughout the swing without a mat with lines on it.
I was not happy about the knock off my patented pure swing guide but Martin is a friend and I knew it would not affect the sales of the pure swing so I let it go.
Well I decided to patent my own laser trainer and with the patent now approved watch out Smart Stick, I am taking over the laser swing trainer market and if you try to copy this I will take legal action.
Also my 3-D laser swing trainer retails for less than a $100.
See you at the 2009 PGA Show in Orlando. I have a 10x20 booth at the front of the Teaching & Training Aids section.
The 3-D laser swing trainer is one of four new swing trainers I am showing that is going to open many eyes at the Show.
John W Rohan-Weaver G.S.E.M.
Was this post written to me, Tom or to Martin? You sound like a jilted (true) inventor. No need to take me to court, besides you will be too busy being the king of laser trainers- a concept you first developed I guess. Besides I thought Mike Austin invented everything. I was very impressed with Tom Paul and his Smart Stick. The GREEN lasers are a major improvement over the red lights (or mag lights). If I were to buy a training aid not found at Home Depot- the Smart Stick would be it regardless of yours. Tracing the straight plane line is all I need to know- I monitor my hands.
You both copied from me. Before your pure swing i used a walking cane and flashlights and got the same results.
The point is these ideas have been around long before all of us began playing golf. I applaud both you and Tom for refining them and bringing them to market.
Don't try to beat um' join um' and we'll all help people play better golf.
I doubt you got the same results but I get your opinion. I don’t have a problem with improvement of swing trainers and welcome it, but I do have a problem with people who knock of patents that someone has worked hard and spend a lot of time and money for.
The Smart Stick is not the only swing trainer to knock off one of mine. David Leadbetter has done the same with his swing setter but his advertizing has sold many of mine, so that is a good thing. This is my livelihood and I have no problem with competition and I really don’t worry about knockoffs as they are poor imitations of the real deal and are here today and gone tomorrow.
I am going on 13 years of successful development of positive transfer swing trainers and have seen many try and fail. It takes more than just looking like the product as there are many things one does not see for the balance and feel of the swing trainer that make it an effective positive transfer swing trainer. The smart stick will have a short marketing success and then you will not hear about it. This is what happens with most training aids. I have seen many come and go.
As for supporting it even if it was not a knock off, mine is superior as you can hit balls with it and it cost effective for the golfer.
On fgi you called LBG members a bunch of star war freaks when some had more machine knowledge then you. Now you single out individuals. Tom is a stand up guy- knows a lot about the golf stroke and a pleasure to be with. I'd buy his any product he develops- not yours. btw- everyone that came into the teaching center loved his smart stick and enjoyed talking WITH him.
On fgi you called LBG members a bunch of star war freaks when some had more machine knowledge then you.
I think you better get your quotes correct. I have never said that. It is a lie and you should remove from the thread. As for my knowledge on TGM you don't know how much I have so that is another lie.
I think you better get your quotes correct. I have never said that. It is a lie and you should remove from the thread. As for my knowledge on TGM you don't know how much I have so that is another lie.
I know what I read- You were a Manzella guy at the time- that was one of the things he called us.
I've used both devices and met both inventors. As for the two products, they have a similar goal (on plane motion), but different ways of getting there.
They are both quality products.
The Pure Swing will give you the feels of both plane and swivel. It shows the swivel feel (and fanning) far better than similar products. A 'full motion' feel device.
Where the Pure Swing is a 'feel' device, the Smart Stick is a visual device, it will show you where you are on plane/off plane. Useful for 'slow motion' building of feel.
Similar results, different paths of getting there. Both worth checking out.
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I know what I read- You were a Manzella guy at the time- that was one of the things he called us.
Hmmm I am now very curious about the factions within the TGM Church in the USA . I call it a Church since it seems like a division of religion over there.
Can it be that a lot of you feel that there is the good ole inferiority complex surfacing its head?
Who is on who's side over there? Can i get a list?
This is not directed towards 6bmike or anyone in particular
One thing from reading extensively i have noticed is that Lynn Blake does NOT rag on anyone . So maybe MR Blake does not have the inferiority complex raging that as humans we all have a predisposition too.
Bottom line is he probably knows what the F... he is talking about
Hmmm I am now very curious about the factions within the TGM Church in the USA . I call it a Church since it seems like a division of religion over there.
Can it be that a lot of you feel that there is the good ole inferiority complex surfacing its head?
Who is on who's side over there? Can i get a list?
This is not directed towards 6bmike or anyone in particular
One thing from reading extensively i have noticed is that Lynn Blake does NOT rag on anyone . So maybe MR Blake does not have the inferiority complex raging that as humans we all have a predisposition too.
Bottom line is he probably knows what the F... he is talking about
Lynn, of course knows the book better than anyone. It is not a secret that Lynn and BM went their own ways a couple of months after a workshop at Woodmont CC, but it was not over interpretation of the book. I have not signed on to BMs site since that workshop so I have no idea what he teaches these days but friendship and civility counts for a lot. Many on here post on both sites and count BM as a friend- I have no problem with that. He just ain't my cup of tea anymore. Ironically, Katarina hit the same time as Woodmont- I hope all of New Orleans and gulf coast is spared from the two 'canes approaching this time.
I doubt you got the same results but I get your opinion. I don’t have a problem with improvement of swing trainers and welcome it, but I do have a problem with people who knock of patents that someone has worked hard and spend a lot of time and money for.
The Smart Stick is not the only swing trainer to knock off one of mine. David Leadbetter has done the same with his swing setter but his advertizing has sold many of mine, so that is a good thing. This is my livelihood and I have no problem with competition and I really don’t worry about knockoffs as they are poor imitations of the real deal and are here today and gone tomorrow.
I am going on 13 years of successful development of positive transfer swing trainers and have seen many try and fail. It takes more than just looking like the product as there are many things one does not see for the balance and feel of the swing trainer that make it an effective positive transfer swing trainer. The smart stick will have a short marketing success and then you will not hear about it. This is what happens with most training aids. I have seen many come and go.
As for supporting it even if it was not a knock off, mine is superior as you can hit balls with it and it cost effective for the golfer.
John,
With all due respect, enough is enough!!! You doubt that Rob Noel got the same results? So do I because I doubt you could get the same results as a teacher of his caliber.
I have bit my cyber toungue long enough about your posts. I was about to post once before because I did not know who you were then you finally posted your name. Out of respect to you, your G.S.E.M. classification and because I have met you at the show I refrained from posting because I thought you might come around. My fault!!
There may be other sites where "bashing" is permitted but as for me I do not care for it. If you were a true "inventor" and "business-man" you may consider operating your own website where you can sell your products and pay homage to Mike Austin as you see appropriate. However, it should not be done here.
I appreciate Lynn for all he has given us for free and all of the help and support he has given me. I enjoy being a part of this site and choose to contribute in those areas where I feel I can make a contribution, club-fitting, playing, videos with Lynn. I do not post much because I chooese to read and then jump in when I feel it is needed. You have forced my hand to the keypad!!
Tom came to the Barclay's with his Smartstick and I truly enjoyed meeting him and learning about this training aid as well as others he was working on. He was a sponge for knowlege, not only how to make his inventions better, but also how to make himself better. He was very humble and complimentary of yours and other inventions.
The problem arises when someone like yourself feels that you have been slighted in some way because someone has more "marketing" money behind them and you invented something first or whatever. If there is a patent infringement then hire an attorney and prove your case in court. If you win I will appologize, but I do not think you have a case. I have used your pureswing and it is very good but nothing like the Smartstick. in fact, I am not a very tall person and I have a hard time hitting shots with the pureswing. I would give you suggestions on how to make it better but you obviously have ALL the answers.
I was one of the first people to comment negatively on this site about the smartstick and its cost, I was wrong and even posted as much. Most training aids are good for some applications but not all. The market will decide if a product costs to much not you or I can do this. I applaud Tom and Martin for making money on such a simple concept with such broad applications. Martin Hall has a terrific reputation as a teacher so his endorsement is worth money. Butch, Ledbetter, Rick Smith, and all of the other "popular" teachers get paid for there endorsements which will obviously drive up the cost.
I suggest you either hire a "name" instructor to promote your products or do a better job of marketing them yourself. Either way I do not care. Please do not be bitter for the success of others or anyone who has a different opinion than yours. Debate is a healthy thing, just like competition. There is nothing better than walking to the tee knowing you can beat your opponent. However, when you don't it is great to know that you can walk into the bar and enjoy a beer with him knowing that you gave it your all and toasting his success.
Hybrid Mode
