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Old 10-19-2009, 02:33 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Nice. This with a little post Low Point extrapolation also answers the question "When are we swinging left?"

Any perceived references to a trade marked swing methodology is purely coincidental or resides inside the head of the reader solely. Swing Left yes but On Plane, post Low Point when the club head is traveling Forward, Up and In but the Thrust continues towards the Plane Line, Forward , Down and Out to Both Arms Straight. Per 1-L-10.

This is an interesting deal . . . . Thrust of what?

Here's another thing to knaw on a bit . . . if the hands are also swinging in something considered an arc . . . would they not reach their low point PRIOR to the clubhead reaching it's low point? I have found for me anyway that once I figured out the down and out portion I over did it and actually ended up shifting the plane line out. For me now my hands have to work left for the club to stay on plane and keep going out to get the throw out on plane.
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Old 10-19-2009, 03:56 PM
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This is an interesting deal . . . . Thrust of what?

Here's another thing to knaw on a bit . . . if the hands are also swinging in something considered an arc . . . would they not reach their low point PRIOR to the clubhead reaching it's low point? I have found for me anyway that once I figured out the down and out portion I over did it and actually ended up shifting the plane line out. For me now my hands have to work left for the club to stay on plane and keep going out to get the throw out on plane.
The Thrust (an Acceleration force) May be Muscular (Right Arm) Force and/or Centrifugal Force (Pivot). Thrust is the strong pressure of one part of a structure against another.


Regarding your Hands reaching their Low Point, it depends on if their is movement of the center (Left Shoulder for a Left Arm Stroke) to get to its Impact Fix location.
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Old 10-19-2009, 11:53 PM
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Originally Posted by 12 piece bucket View Post
This is an interesting deal . . . . Thrust of what?
Ill defer to Drewit on the "Thrust of what?". But if the Hands are moving On Plane, Post Low Point, Forward ,Up and In (left if you will) the Thrust IS felt in the Pressure Points and directed straight line Forward, Down and Out towards the Plane Line.

The Swinging Left guys who "cut it" left with their Hands are courting an Off Plane Thrust!

The Left thing is maybe in our terms described as the Rythm of Angled Hinge Action. The delayed overtaking of the Hands by the Clubhead associated with the shorter clubhead travel of Angled Hinge Action. Perhaps this is what those Swinging Left players are really feeling though they describe it as a leftward move of the hands.

You can find pictures of Trevino , often , or Hogan occasionally doing this Angled Hinge Action or swinging left but its not "The Way". Its merely "A Way" and a way that if not Aligned to the Plane is another form of position golf. You cant just say "cut" your hands hard to the left and expect them to be Aligned. The Plane still rules. Geometrically Oriented Linear Force. "Left", could mean anything. Homer would ask "left yes, but how much and why?" Its Plane Angle dependent geometrically and Hinge Action dependent in feeling.

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Old 10-20-2009, 07:32 AM
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Swinging Left: Fact or Fiction?

Infamous Hogan Swing-Left Picture:


Is He Swinging Left or is He Swinging On-Plane (Elbow Plane) after Impact?


Staying On-Plane after Impact requires the Pivot to keep Turning Left for Any Swing Plane employed. Otherwise, if the Hips Slow, or Stop, the Hands will Rise off-Plane.

His often "High Hands" Finish is a sign of his Pivot Motion continuing to lead then abruptly slowed, and just as often, "Low Hands" Finish is a sign of the Hands overtaking the Pivot.

Ignore the Lines:


Just another thought: I wonder if golfers stop their Pivots in an unconscious effort to allow the Hands to travel towards the Target with the mistaken notion of a baseball or basketball throw? Steering.

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
Swinging Left: Fact or Fiction?


Is He Swinging Left or is He Swinging On-Plane (Elbow Plane) after Impact?


Staying On-Plane after Impact requires the Pivot to keep Turning Left for Any Swing Plane employed. Otherwise, if the Hips Slow, or Stop, the Hands will Rise off-Plane.

His often "High Hands" Finish is a sign of his Pivot Motion continuing to lead then abruptly slowed, and just as often, "Low Hands" Finish is a sign of the Hands overtaking the Pivot.

Just another thought: I wonder if golfers stop their Pivots in an unconscious effort to allow the Hands to travel towards the Target with the mistaken notion of a baseball or basketball throw? Steering.
IMHO, post of the day/month/year. This dismisses a lot of "POP" teaching thoeries.

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Old 10-20-2009, 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by KevCarter View Post
IMHO, post of the day/month/year. This dismisses a lot of "POP" teaching thoeries.

Great work!

Kevin


Id say post of a life time. It cant be topped. In fact you can stop posting now D.

Please.

OK best post from Today at 7:32. Hows that?

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Old 10-20-2009, 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Ill defer to Drewit on the "Thrust of what?".
Check out 2-M-1. Also, keep in mind that Thrust of the Clubhead is crossline, but motion is online.
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Old 10-20-2009, 08:48 PM
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Originally Posted by drewitgolf View Post
Check out 2-M-1. Also, keep in mind that Thrust of the Clubhead is crossline, but motion is online.

Crossline for Arc of Approach people too?

What about 1-L-10 .......Power Package driven by an on plane force (towards the plane line).

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Old 10-20-2009, 09:04 PM
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Originally Posted by O.B.Left View Post
Crossline for Arc of Approach people too?

What about 1-L-10 .......Power Package driven by an on plane force (towards the plane line).

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Hmm? I wonder what that On Plane Force might be? What possible force is there immediately behind the Power Package that might Drive it Down Plane?

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Crossline for Arc of Approach people too?

What about 1-L-10 .......Power Package driven by an on plane force (towards the plane line).

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Arc of Approach is the motion, the delivery line of the clubhead and its geometric basis is the Plane Line.
Actually, 1-L-10 reads as follows: The Lever Assembly must be driven "Through" Impact by an On Plane force (moving toward the Plane Line).
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