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Old 11-12-2009, 10:02 AM
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Kevin you are the nicest man I know!

The essence of "love" is destroyed by rendering love common place. Every system (golf or otherwise) is implictly exclusivistic. However, not all systems are equal...some have closer correspondence with reality than others. Acceptance is not to be confused with toleration. Tolerance is a myth. I reject the "can't we all just get along?" mantra. Let us scrap it out...the last idea standing...wins! Nothing free about love my friend...it makes it's own demands. Unity of thought is for utopian suckers! Again...I say let us scrap it out! Bring it...big boy...bring it! Insert smiley.
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Old 11-12-2009, 10:10 AM
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Kevin you are the nicest man I know!

The essence of "love" is destroyed by rendering love common place. Every system (golf or otherwise) is implictly exclusivistic. However, not all systems are equal...some have closer correspondence with reality than others. Acceptance is not to be confused with toleration. Tolerance is a myth. I reject the "can't we all just get along?" mantra. Let us scrap it out...the last idea standing...wins! Nothing free about love my friend...it makes it's own demands. Unity of thought is for utopian suckers! Again...I say let us scrap it out! Bring it...big boy...bring it! Insert smiley.
Thats it. The sound you are hearing is a big can of whoop-ass opening. I'm getting your address from Bucket!

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Old 11-12-2009, 10:20 AM
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Kevin is awfully nice. My guess is he toughens up when you are asking for strokes. Hope we find that out in the spring.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:13 PM
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Dodger, I like your sentiments, the only problem is that most on here agree that if Yoda got hold of Tiger then 50 majors would be realistic.

I laso agree with Okie that one of the best ways to settle any argument is the old line - "Show me your medals"

the sad truth is that with the exception of Brian Gay, there are no professionals winning events (never mind majors) who will say "I owe it all to Homer Kelly".

Whatever we want to believe about sing theory, it is whoever gets it in the hole in the fewest number of strokes that wins the prize. We can wax lyrical about Stuart Appelby's positions, but the truth is, that there are no TGM'ers winning week in week out.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:33 PM
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I am not sure that is the point of Homer's book or of Yoda's great instruction here. I agree with you GPS about the lack of players advocating TGM. But, look at their swings. Lets take Lucas Glover, US Open champ. Lag, flat left wrist at impact, float loading... He has components we can see in his swing that are in the book. So does every player on tour. Mr. Yoda knows the book and can teach. These are two separate things. If I get my daughter, who is just learning to play, to move her hands through impact before the clubhead, she will get a flat left wrist. I am not teaching her from the book, I am using the toolbox Homer Kelley provided to give her alignments that are golf like. Swinging left is a prime example. Kevin taught me to swivel after followthrough, really improving my swing. The swivel takes the club left, which is nothing more than being on plane. Teachers still need to be able to teach, regardless of what they know. Communication. Yoda has it, so do other teachers.
I think if you and I took lessons side by side, Yoda would tell us different things, that is teaching. Putting every student into a pre-conceived model is not. I find it hard to disagree with the Yellow Book when I see its examples in every tour player. Tell me one tour player that does not exhibit the three essentials or the three imperatives. Does the golfing machine have a player endorsement? Every good one. Tiger, regardless of swing change, has a steady head, flat left wrist, lag... Like Patton said about Rommel: " You magnificent Bast###, I read your book." Maybe Tiger didn't read it, but his swing is in the yellow.
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Old 11-12-2009, 08:37 PM
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The book has every room for every swing Dodge, from Tiger down to the 18 Hcap hacker.

IMHO Tiger would be even better if he spent a weekend or two at the swamp
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Old 11-12-2009, 09:15 PM
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No argument GPS, he would improve and eliminate the really bad shots like he hit on the 18th hole yesterday.
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Old 11-13-2009, 08:02 PM
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IMHO Tiger would be even better if he spent a weekend or two at the swamp
No he wouldn't. The guy is just stone deaf or incapable of listening.

Eldrick's real problem is that he thinks he knows best.
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Old 11-12-2009, 11:46 PM
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... Like Patton said about Rommel: " You magnificent Bast###, I read your book." Maybe Tiger didn't read it, but his swing is in the yellow.
Well said, dodger. Thanks!

While I'm at it, and this is an unabashed threadjack having absolutely nothing to do with golf . . .

A big Thanksgiving Thank-You to:

The late General George Patton (that self-described "Son of a Goddamned bitch, Georgie Patton") http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/patton_20010914.html . . .

The U.S. Third Army http://www.arcent.army.mil/. . .

And to all our courageous U.S. sevice men and women and those who have gone before -- expecting little and sacrificing much -- all while securing for "we the people" the liberty we enjoy today.

I understand that, in this 'new age' of entitlement and "Entertainment Tonight", these kudos rankle.

For those so affected, get over it.

From those of us who have served . . .

And from the countless beneficiaries who cherish their freedom; who 'get it'; and who stand strong . . .

We say:

Be very careful.

Those who would risk the United States of America to achieve their own personal, political or religious ends are treading on hallowed ground.

And there are many of us, indeed, a majority of us, who simply ain't gonna let that happen.

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Old 11-13-2009, 12:51 AM
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"Read the Bible every God Damned day of my life."

General George S. Patton on his religious beliefs.

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