I have been chewing on this right elbow business and feel like there is a commonality between the best ball-strikers. None of them run out of right arm, in fact many of them (Trevino, Hogan) have a substantial amount of right elbow bend well after impact. I read a caption for a Hunter Mahan sequence that said something to the effect that the bent right arm "stabilizes the club face." The face flashes closed when the left wrist bends as a result of the right arm. I understand that hinge action is a function of the left wrist, I am refering to the influence the right elbow has on the #3 Acc. Daryl's rigid power package crusade helped me see this. Check out Furyk's at right elbow at end and impact! Amazingly there is not as much variance as you would think. My best swing thought EVER "Take the bend through the ball!" I may have the pull that has plagued me for 20 years whipped!
I have been chewing on this right elbow business and feel like there is a commonality between the best ball-strikers. None of them run out of right arm, in fact many of them (Trevino, Hogan) have a substantial amount of right elbow bend well after impact. I read a caption for a Hunter Mahan sequence that said something to the effect that the bent right arm "stabilizes the club face." The face flashes closed when the left wrist bends as a result of the right arm. I understand that hinge action is a function of the left wrist, I am refering to the influence the right elbow has on the #3 Acc. Daryl's rigid power package crusade helped me see this. Check out Furyk's at right elbow at end and impact! Amazingly there is not as much variance as you would think. My best swing thought EVER "Take the bend through the ball!" I may have the pull that has plagued me for 20 years whipped!
I agree Okie.
How about taking it one step further. The set up. In setting up the way YODA teaches, right forearm on plane, you have to lower your right shoulder at address to get there. The lower the right shoulder at impact, the less chance of running out of right arm.
Setting up with my COGs aligned, level and centered, I have the problem of running out of right arm.
YODA's set up ideas solve the problem, makes it a no-brainer...
Kevin
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I could be wrong. I have been before, and will be again.
Also look at his trailing Forearm at Impact. It's tracing the Plane Line and the #3 PP is pointing, RFFW, 3 feet ahead of the ball. The more bend in the Right Elbow, the farther ahead of Impact the #3 PP points and the more pivot/shoulder rotation is needed to keep On Plane.
If you stand directly facing a player at Impact, the #3 PP will be ahead of the ball at impact and the Right Elbow will be behind the ball. (2 orange lines in the pic below)
The amount of Right Wrist bend determines the amount of Leading which in turn, determines the amount of bend in the Right Elbow to keep the Ball between the #3 PP and right Elbow. Then, the Right Elbow Location (how far away from the body the Right Elbow needs to be Located depends on Swing Plane Angle)is needed to Locate the RFFW On the Swing Plane at Impact.
This can be determined at Impact Fix. RFFW On Plane and tracing ahead of the ball. How much Bend in the Right Elbow, knees, hips, shoulder turn, etc.
How about taking it one step further. The set up. In setting up the way YODA teaches, right forearm on plane, you have to lower your right shoulder at address to get there. The lower the right shoulder at impact, the less chance of running out of right arm.
Setting up with my COGs aligned, level and centered, I have the problem of running out of right arm.
YODA's set up ideas solve the problem, makes it a no-brainer...
Kevin
I set up close to this and agree that it has real mechanical advantages. However, I prefer a slightly higher right forearm, knowing full well that address is NOT impact. I also have some convoluted applications with regards to "bobbing." I feel that I am not bobbing if my head does not move below "fix" at impact. The right shoulder has become my best friend. The trick was to have sufficient extensor action to make the power package rigid enough...to obey the lead of the right shoulder moving down plane. The deepness of the shoulder drive now conserves the right elbow...which in turn preserves the right wrist bend...which is the L-bracket for my flat left wrist. Like I said before a persistent pull-draw and at times a pull-hook pretty much ended any thought of me going to the "next level." The truth of the matter is that I just wanted to learn how not to do that as a matter of habit.
Pivot has some big implications in this discussion too . . . keep in mind the right forearm has to be DRIVEN . . . so with hitting this is pretty much self-explanatory . . . how does it get driven? . . . it does it itself! But in swinging . . . the pivot does the driving . . . if the pivot stalls or does something whacky to pull the hands of the intended plane . . then the right forearm alignments have a good chance of being compromised . . . inturn potentially compromising hinge motion and plane angle.
Take a look at Phil's face vs. Furyk's face . . . HUGE differences.
I agree my deep fried and battered friend! I have grown to love Furyk's swing. Clubface control is the last bastion for ball striking nirvana. The greats tend not have "flashy-faces." His pivot is sick in the way it keeps moving...very athletic in my opionion. That is what I used to love about Duval's swing was that the pivot never seemed to stall. Mickelson will always hit it sideways at times because he is "flashy-faced." As soon as the pivot slows the right arm straightens, true? I like Hunter Mahan's pivot in that sense...it appears to be one unbroken movement to finish.
This being my 8ooth post I think it is a good time to hang it up. Thanks for the information and the laughs. Cheerio!
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