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Old 12-10-2009, 07:04 PM
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I don't think there are any real pros and cons across the board.

I can do everything with the ball swinging that I can do with hitting and vice versa.

I choose hitting because it's something I can do the most consistently and I control the clubface the best using a hitting procedure.

However, for others it's quite the opposite.

Some will say that swinging can hit the ball further, I completely disagree with that. Kenny Perry is a hitter. And from looking at Alvaro Quiros' swing sequence, I think he's a hitter as well.

Some say hitting is more accurate. Moe Norman was the most accurate golfer of all time and was clearly a swinger in my book.

I think whether you hit or swing the best is just something that probably has to do with your brain and how you were brought into learning the game.

In other words, just focus on what works best for you instead of compiling a list of perceived pros and cons and choosing what procedure to use from that. I think Homer would've wanted it that way.




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Old 12-10-2009, 07:29 PM
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Good reply Richie,

I plateaued this year because I was listening to too many different people and fell in love with the idea that hitting would make me more accurate.

a s anatural swinger, once I went back to a pure pivot driven swing my golf has improved immensely.

Certain people will say that a hitter is more consistent because a swinger requires an oiliness gained from spending all day every day at the range whereas a hitter is lower maintenance. My own experience suggests otherwise and anyway, to me, heaven ai all day veryday at the range, its definitely no chore!

X-man, trust in what Tom tells you, walk before you begin running and stick to one guy only until you reach a level beyond his ability or until you have sufficient knlwledge to determine that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The absolute worst thing you can do in these early days is listen to too many people telling you too many different things.

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Old 12-10-2009, 07:33 PM
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Originally Posted by GPStyles View Post
Good reply Richie,

I plateaued this year because I was listening to too many different people and fell in love with the idea that hitting would make me more accurate.

a s anatural swinger, once I went back to a pure pivot driven swing my golf has improved immensely.

Certain people will say that a hitter is more consistent because a swinger requires an oiliness gained from spending all day every day at the range whereas a hitter is lower maintenance. My own experience suggests otherwise and anyway, to me, heaven ai all day veryday at the range, its definitely no chore!

X-man, trust in what Tom tells you, walk before you begin running and stick to one guy only until you reach a level beyond his ability or until you have sufficient knlwledge to determine that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

The absolute worst thing you can do in these early days is listen to too many people telling you too many different things.

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A lot of great advise in that post Mr. GPStyles!

I long for the days when I could trust CF to rifle that little sucker down the middle!

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Old 12-10-2009, 07:34 PM
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I must apologise for my post above. Tesco's (big grocery store in UK) is doing a deal on a very nice red that normally sells at £8 a bottle. Now it is 3 for £10. I have decided this will be my christmas wine and with my dad have been doing quality control tonight. The first two have been fine, we might open one more to be sure (to be sure, to be sure).

Yes, I had to go through this post several times before submitting it!
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Old 12-10-2009, 07:37 PM
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I must apologise for my post above. Tesco's (big grocery store in UK) is doing a deal on a very nice red that normally sells at £8 a bottle. Now it is 3 for £10. I have decided this will be my christmas wine and with my dad have been doing quality control tonight. The first two have been fine, we might open one more to be sure (to be sure, to be sure).

Yes, I had to go through this post several times before submitting it!
I'll toast with you BRO.

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Old 12-10-2009, 07:42 PM
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GP thanks for your reply.meeting tom early next week and can't wait.once the merc hits the M50 west-link it will be cruisecontrol the whole way.ill let you know how i get on


thanks all and good debate with solid info
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Old 12-10-2009, 08:22 PM
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OB correct.....we are on the same wavelenght here.

i am getting great answers here and alot of help but i have one more question which i feel is also very important

Q-as i am still in basic motion its a short movement but my query is in regards to taking the club to top with the right forearm.......do all TGM students take or are thought to take it back the same way whether you are hitting or swinging during total motion??


the reason i am asking this is because very shortly i think ill be doing acquired motion(maybe after the new year) and its something i want to understand
Yes Id agree with Kev. Swinging or Hitting we take it back with the same RFT, fanning and bending. The left wrist action will be different for some.

But the important thing is that if you are doing Push Basic Hitting as you move to fuller shots you cant use that sort of push basic type takeaway, linear, elbow sawing or whatever. Its ok for short shots if that is what you are doing but not for longer shots. That was news to me a little while back.
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Old 12-10-2009, 09:44 PM
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Originally Posted by GPStyles View Post
Good reply Richie,

I plateaued this year because I was listening to too many different people and fell in love with the idea that hitting would make me more accurate.

a s anatural swinger, once I went back to a pure pivot driven swing my golf has improved immensely.
I have met a quite a few TGM'ers that fall into this category as well. That's what really appealed to me about Lynn and Ted. I had a GSED as my instructor in college and he pretty much taught everybody to swing. I really didn't know what exactly hitting was at the time, but the idea of using your right arm and right side made sense to me. And having a choice between the right and the left made even more sense to me.

Now having instructors that were more than willing to teach both and go with what worked best for you is what I was looking for.

I soon realized I could hit the ball further with hitting on a consistent basis than I could swinging, despite being told that wasn't the case. I think the big thing that got me was a couple of months ago when I looked at Quiros' swing, a guy that generates about 125-130 mph of driver clubhead speed, saw a shorter backswing, a right forearm on plane at impact, an an angled hinge and that screamed to me that he was a hitter. The longest guy on Tour is a hitter, something I was told couldn't happen by most people not named Yoda or Ted.




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Old 12-10-2009, 11:12 PM
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Yes Id agree with Kev. Swinging or Hitting we take it back with the same RFT, fanning and bending. The left wrist action will be different for some.

But the important thing is that if you are doing Push Basic Hitting as you move to fuller shots you cant use that sort of push basic type takeaway, linear, elbow sawing or whatever. Its ok for short shots if that is what you are doing but not for longer shots. That was news to me a little while back.

Wait a minute, Ive been thinking about this some. If you employ Standard Wrist Action your Right Elbow will be in a different place than it would be for Single Wrist Action. Meaning that Swingers and Hitters have a different Right Elbow position going back (as they do going down) despite the similarities in the RFT, fanning and bending motion.

We need Yoda to answer this one maybe.
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