It may be worthwhile purchasing the Brian Gay stroke fundamntals digital video but I have to admit that despite owning it for 3 or more years I have never watched it fully!
Well, if you ever get around to watching it be sure to let me know how it is.
Originally Posted by KevCarter
Swinging and hitting can be a "feel" thing as much as being mechanical. There are many aspects of both that are very similar, and some of the differences are not very pronounced. In my opinion, it's more important to understand the components one by one, until you understand them enough to start putting them together into a pattern. Start by trying to determine if you mainly feel like you are pulling with your left side, or pushing with your right.
Thanks for your explanation. In regards to pulling with the left or pushing with the right, I feel that on the down swing I start pulling with the left and before impact I start pushing with the right. I am unsure if this is actuality or simply sensation.
Originally Posted by KevCarter
If I could boldly make one observation on your swing, study Hula-Hula and listen to how YODA discusses the hip bump at start down. Its a very small movement, but an incredibly important one. At start down, the left hip must get over the left foot, that's all there is to weight shift. This must happen before the hips start turing, and the shoulders should never get forward of your hips.
I would say that is a really good observation, Kevin. I have struggled to understand the lateral move that the hips must perform at the start of the down swing. Everytime I experimented, it felt as if I had excessive axis tilt. This was certainly my downfall whilst experimenting with "Stack and Tilt".
Originally Posted by KevCarter
Being in Australia, I believe you should try to make the trip to Sydney to see Paul just as we in the states want to travel to Georgia to see YODA.
I assumed Paul Hart was located in Victoria (like Peter Croker). However, if he is in Sydney (New South Wales) then that would be ideal. I tried doing a Google search to see if he had a website with contact details and pricing, but had no luck. What is Paul's username on this forum? Hopefully, he won't mind if I PM him.
Thanks so much for all your help, Kevin. This forum is such a great resource.
The best way to catch Paul is on iSeek. His handle there is TheDart. He interacts a lot over there, in fact is one of the founders of the forum. I'm sorry, I was thinking earlier the Melbourne was in New South Wales rather than Victoria. Never very good with geography. I spent a summer in Melbourne as an exchange student, I should know better. Paul is indeed in Sydney!
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I feel that on the down swing I start pulling with the left and before impact I start pushing with the right. I am unsure if this is actuality or simply sensation.
I think most teachers would agree with that comment 100%, in fact many would say there is no pure swinger, or no pure hitter. That's why I called it a "feel" thing, you can't argue someones "feel" and I don't care to debate the golf swing. OPTIONS!
Please let us know if you get to see our friend Paul!
Kevin
Originally Posted by BC85
Well, if you ever get around to watching it be sure to let me know how it is.
Thanks for your explanation. In regards to pulling with the left or pushing with the right, I feel that on the down swing I start pulling with the left and before impact I start pushing with the right. I am unsure if this is actuality or simply sensation.
I would say that is a really good observation, Kevin. I have struggled to understand the lateral move that the hips must perform at the start of the down swing. Everytime I experimented, it felt as if I had excessive axis tilt. This was certainly my downfall whilst experimenting with "Stack and Tilt".
I assumed Paul Hart was located in Victoria (like Peter Croker). However, if he is in Sydney (New South Wales) then that would be ideal. I tried doing a Google search to see if he had a website with contact details and pricing, but had no luck. What is Paul's username on this forum? Hopefully, he won't mind if I PM him.
Thanks so much for all your help, Kevin. This forum is such a great resource.
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Thanks for the help guys. I am going to watch "Alignment Golf" (when it arrives) and bring myself up to speed with TGM terminology. Once this occurs, I will definitely be going to see Paul Hart.
Well, I received the "Alignment Golf" DVDs yesterday and watched all of them last night. I identified some areas (extensor action and pivot) that I believed I needed to work on. Unfortunately, even after spending 7 hours today hitting golf balls, I was unable to make any progress (which I assume is due to incorrect execution).
I feel quite lost and confused at the moment. I was hoping that "Alignment Golf" was going to be the key to understanding how to build my swing pattern. However, I don't understand how to progress from basic motion, to acquired motion, to total motion. In addition, I don't understand how to identify what mechanics I am performing incorrectly. I know that mechanics are meant to produce feel and feel is meant to reproduce mechanics, but if I don't know how to perform the mechanics in the first place then it means very little.
Ultimately, it has been a frustrating 24 hours and I am sick of seeing out-to-in left pointing divots. Hopefully, tomorrow will be better.
It's a long road, and worth every minute of the travel if you want to develop a swing for the rest of your life. No quick fixes, and no band-aids.
IMHO, TGM is the key to learning how to develop a stroke, and Alignment Golf is the key to learning TGM. You will need to add an instructor who understands TGM to the equation for faster progress. What you are learning from the videos will be a huge help in understanding what your teacher is looking for...
Kevin
Originally Posted by BC85
Well, I received the "Alignment Golf" DVDs yesterday and watched all of them last night. I identified some areas (extensor action and pivot) that I believed I needed to work on. Unfortunately, even after spending 7 hours today hitting golf balls, I was unable to make any progress (which I assume is due to incorrect execution).
I feel quite lost and confused at the moment. I was hoping that "Alignment Golf" was going to be the key to understanding how to build my swing pattern. However, I don't understand how to progress from basic motion, to acquired motion, to total motion. In addition, I don't understand how to identify what mechanics I am performing incorrectly. I know that mechanics are meant to produce feel and feel is meant to reproduce mechanics, but if I don't know how to perform the mechanics in the first place then it means very little.
Ultimately, it has been a frustrating 24 hours and I am sick of seeing out-to-in left pointing divots. Hopefully, tomorrow will be better.
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Thanks for the reassurance, Kevin. I am going to make another thread in the appropriate "Emergency Room" section (as I've since learnt that this thread was incorrectly placed) and see what other TGM enthusiasts think about my current pattern. I really appreciate all the help you have given me.
Well, I received the "Alignment Golf" DVDs yesterday and watched all of them last night. I identified some areas (extensor action and pivot) that I believed I needed to work on. Unfortunately, even after spending 7 hours today hitting golf balls, I was unable to make any progress (which I assume is due to incorrect execution).
I feel quite lost and confused at the moment. I was hoping that "Alignment Golf" was going to be the key to understanding how to build my swing pattern. However, I don't understand how to progress from basic motion, to acquired motion, to total motion. In addition, I don't understand how to identify what mechanics I am performing incorrectly. I know that mechanics are meant to produce feel and feel is meant to reproduce mechanics, but if I don't know how to perform the mechanics in the first place then it means very little.
Ultimately, it has been a frustrating 24 hours and I am sick of seeing out-to-in left pointing divots. Hopefully, tomorrow will be better.
BC and David you both remind me of me, in a good way.
It took me about 3000 balls and 7 rounds of golf to understand Extensor Action or about three weeks of using it everywhere. Now, I can regularly hit chips and shots and putts at the pin. In the last three rounds, I have chipped in 6 times and had lots of "up and downs" for pars. I bet I could punch shot my way around any course with a 7 iron and a putter and shoot 80 something on most courses.
My point? The mechanics taught me the correct feel which I use all the time. It has been since March of this year that I started using the RFFW but only in the last 5 days have I locked it out and been able to hit a full swing down the middle on purpose with every club in my bag.
Learn this and have fun with it. I joke with these guys about shooting par from a 21 hcp. in one season. The damn thing is, if my body (artificial hip and short front leg, 11 hip operations) can withstand all theses changes, I'll be playing you straight up in October of this year, esp. if you don't work with this stuff. As it is, if you give me 15 strokes, my hcp. index, you'll pay for everything, all the time.
Patrick
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