EA occurs automatically when applying the RFT. GM doesn't use the RFT (GM = LCT) and since he uses the Elbow Plane, then .......
LCT = Lagging Clubhead Takeaway?
D, you saying LCT cant be done with the Right Forearm Takeaway (RFT)? I do it. But I have to go easy on the EA from adjusted in Startup then dial it up. I've got it turned on by the time my hands are about over my right thigh...by then Ive got my Impact Hands back too as a result of the EA. Heavy EA at Adjusted can snap the Hands into their Impact Alignments which if in so doing moves the clubhead backwards would be Hogans chipping method according Homer, I believe. The so called EA takeaway.
D, you saying LCT cant be done with the Right Forearm Takeaway (RFT)? I do it. But I have to go easy on the EA from adjusted in Startup then dial it up. I've got it turned on by the time my hands are about over my right thigh...by then Ive got my Impact Hands back too as a result of the EA. Heavy EA at Adjusted can snap the Hands into their Impact Alignments which if in so doing moves the clubhead backwards would be Hogans chipping method according Homer, I believe. The so called EA takeaway.
But I dont know if GM does EA at all. OMG!
Well, Greg uses a Lagging Clubhead Take-away LCT. He "Swings" the Club to the Top. "There is no Up in the Backswing" he said. So I assume that he doesn't "push" the Club to the Top as the Right Forearm Takeaway has you do.
Uh - oh. The Right Forearm Take-away (RFT) causes Extensor Action (EA) by engaging the Right Triceps Muscle during the Backstroke. With The Right Forearm Take-away, there is no need for additional EA.
The Right Forearm Take-Away is A Procedure which takes the Club, Hands, Arms and Shoulders, from "Address to the Top of the backstroke". ((It's not just for the the Takeaway interval.))
It's the TGM preferred procedure because it engages the "Magic of the Right Forearm" so that the Right Wrist can remain Level while the Left Wrist Cocks. It's the only way to do so. TGM secret #23. Pass it on.
So I assume that he doesn't "push" the Club to the Top as the Right Forearm Takeaway has you do.
Uh - oh. The Right Forearm Take-away (RFT) causes Extensor Action (EA) by engaging the Right Triceps Muscle during the Backstroke. With The Right Forearm Take-away, there is no need for additional EA.
Couple of things:
Doesnt the Right Forearm Takeaway ...pull the club......hence the lagging condition of the clubhead during the lagging takeaway?
Also isnt EA a separate and distinct force applied to the Left Arm and Club, a non accelerating force given thats its along the line of the left arm. A stretching out of the left arm and club in line. Sorta like an artificial CF if you will. As such cant the right forearm stretch the left arm at the #1 or the the left arm and club at the #3 (less common) and accelerate the club during RFT as two distinct actions?
Doesn't the Right Forearm Takeaway ...pull the club......hence the lagging condition of the clubhead during the lagging takeaway?
Section 4/5 – Backstroke ensures that the Right Forearm Takeaway is a Pushing Action. Note also that #18 is Top. Start Up comes before Takeaway.
14. Extensor Action
15. Start Up – Line
16. Start Up – L/R Wrist Conditions
17. Right Forearm Takeaway
Also isn't EA a separate and distinct force applied to the Left Arm and Club, a non accelerating force given that its along the line of the left arm. A stretching out of the left arm and club in line. Sorta like an artificial CF if you will. As such can't the right forearm stretch the left arm at the #1 or the the left arm and club at the #3 (less common) and accelerate the club during RFT as two distinct actions?
Yes. EA is the application of Force using Right Triceps muscle to Stretch the Left Arm. Extensor Force can be applied in different ways. With the Right Forearm Takeaway, the two middle fingers of the Right Hand simultaneously grip the Shaft and squeeze pressure on the Left Thumb.
Stretching the Left Arm through the #3 PP or tightly gripping the shaft with the #3 PP while using Extensor Force are Specialty Procedures.
Quote:
Extensor Action gives an indispensable control to all Strokes. Stretching on the Left Arm through the #3 Presure Point gives the same action as pulling both ends of a rope. That is, it pulls both the Left Arm and the Clubshaft tautly in a straight line. That, and just moving from “Bent Left Wrist” to “Flat Left Wrist” during – and as – the Loading Action are very effective for Short Shot procedures (10-19-0). However, improperly executed, it can cause Clubhead Throwaway. In which case, use only #1 Pressure Point and pull on the left thumb to then hold at least the Left Arm in-line and retain Power Package structural rigidity.
This action of Extensor force can be substituted for Downstroke Acceleration of the Arms and Hands – in part or wholly – for “less than full Power” shots calling for the precision execution of a heavy, constant Hand Speed through Release and Impact. Lag Pressure then can be the artificial pressure of a tight right forefinger grip – which, actually, can serve the same function for Backstroke guidance (6-C-1).
Extensor Action: a great Homer Kelley Invention. One thing that's very clear, is that once you know, understand and use Extensor Force, you CAN'T Swing a Club any other way again. It would be like closing a bi-fold door without a track.
Section 4/5 – Backstroke ensures that the Right Forearm Takeaway is a Pushing Action. Note also that #18 is Top. Start Up comes before Takeaway.
14. Extensor Action
15. Start Up – Line
16. Start Up – L/R Wrist Conditions
17. Right Forearm Takeaway
I'd like the court to recognize that the honourable D, has added some wordage that doesnt exist within my 6th edition of the book.
Please, strike from the record everything after "Backstroke"...... commencing with "ensure that the ..." This is a horrible mis representation of Homers actual text . I can only assume for his own benefit, to make a point. Shame. The court can only wonder where else this sort of thing has happened in the past!
I suggest a total audit of all Daryls previous posts and I elect Mike O. and Bucket as co auditors.
Let it be so.
D, how can the right arm push on the way back when its on the front of the club? Seems like a pull to me.
Is it possible that both answers (push and pull) are reasonable? It seems as if the resultant below plane force of the right arm seeking to remain straight is partially based on the position of r/h attachment. A weaker (right index finger knuckle on top of shaft) right hand attachment seems to create a clear "push" or longitudinal stretching of left arm (through pp#1)and/or entire primary lever (through pp#1+3). A stronger right hand seems to both stretch "push" (longitudinally)and "pull" (laterally). Is this, perhaps, the "extensor action takeaway" (10-19-0) referred to in TGM as it applies to lag loading? TGM suggests that a swinger can lag load with EA takeaway "and/or" the "bending right wrist". Float loading (hit or swing) probably still conforms to these guidelines given that there is a blending of moves which combines assembly and lag loading (and release for that matter)....which really all starts at takeaway. The float loader who intends to HIT will need to blend in some EA for structure....but I would think he would be wary of establishing the "pushing" forces of EA because...its difficult to blend in a "pre assembled" lever. I would tend to think that OB Left is on to something with the "pulling" forces of EA being phased in early as he drags the club with his right hand (if I understood this correctly). But I think they inevitably become pushing EA forces as "we hold the plane up" at the top). I wonder if Gregg's top position dictates a "hitting" action. My gut tells me that a float loader who hits still needs to rely on a significant degree of CF and knows that spinning hips can offset structural deficiencies that remain from his "lazy" move leading up to impact.
I'd like the court to recognize that the honourable D, has added some wordage that doesnt exist within my 6th edition of the book.
Please, strike from the record everything after "Backstroke"...... commencing with "ensure that the ..." This is a horrible mis representation of Homers actual text . I can only assume for his own benefit, to make a point. Shame. The court can only wonder where else this sort of thing has happened in the past!
I suggest a total audit of all Daryls previous posts and I elect Mike O. and Bucket as co auditors.
Let it be so.
D, how can the right arm push on the way back when its on the front of the club? Seems like a pull to me.
You're watchful and tough, however I wasn't "Quoting". I was "explaining".
"D, how can the right arm push on the way back when its on the front of the club? Seems like a pull to me."
When I try to Straighten my Right Arm with Triceps muscle, I call it "Push".
You're watchful and tough, however I wasn't "Quoting". I was "explaining".
"D, how can the right arm push on the way back when its on the front of the club? Seems like a pull to me."
When I try to Straighten my Right Arm with Triceps muscle, I call it "Push".
I'll add a third perspective: Lift . . .
As Daryl has stated, when the right triceps is active, it pushes and gives width to the Stroke. As O.B. has stated, this Extensor Action pulls on the left arm, stretching it and likewise providing structure to the Stroke.
But, this pushing/pulling Action (Non-Accelerating Thrust / 6-C-0 #2) does not move the Left Arm. For that to happen, the right arm and its right elbow action (bending and straightening) mustlift (and lower) the left (7-3). This is an On Plane Action, of course, but it is nevertheless a lift.
Otherwise, even when structured, the left arm and club (Primary Lever Assembly) will be simply drug around the body (the "disruptive Shoulder Turn Takeaway" / 10-6-B). Thus, it will be hopelessly Under Plane and therefore misaligned in relation to the Baseline of the Plane and the ball that rests upon it.
This mistake can be, indeed must be, corrected by realigning at the Top, as happens in the Compensated Strokes of even fine players. But, why bother with all that when a simple solution is available? Namely, use an On Plane (Zone 3), Right Forearm Pickup (Zone 2) in conjunction with a perfect Pivot (Zone 1).
Hybrid Mode
