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Old 11-08-2011, 10:28 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Yes it is. The pivot in 4 barrel hitting stalls very quickly in the DS. The right shoulder drives briefly down plane and then the right triceps fires off of it like a backstop. If the pivot continues, you're switting.
Action vs. Motion....the pivot doesn't stall....4 barrel hitter and 3 barrel swinger have the same startdown...easier to push a cannon ball that is rolling than one that is stationary...

Hitters pivot...period.
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:28 PM
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Action vs. Motion....the pivot doesn't stall....4 barrel hitter and 3 barrel swinger have the same startdown...easier to push a cannon ball that is rolling than one that is stationary...

Hitters pivot...period.
You're misinterpreting motion as action. The motion, after the brief right shoulder thrust, is solely a result of the right triceps. But if you spin the flywheel, you will be mixing pulling and pushing, against which Homer warned you!
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Old 11-09-2011, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
You're misinterpreting motion as action. The motion, after the brief right shoulder thrust, is solely a result of the right triceps. But if you spin the flywheel, you will be mixing pulling and pushing, against which Homer warned you!
So your contention is that the hitter's pivot supplies zero action?
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Old 11-09-2011, 04:15 PM
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So your contention is that the hitter's pivot supplies zero action?
Both the pure Hitter and the 4-barrel Hitter have hip action, but neither use a spinning flywheel. The 4-barrel Hitter uses a brief right shoulder momentum injection as a launching platform from which to blast off. The right triceps fires as the right shoulder thrust stops. Only the right triceps/elbow uncock the left wrist(#2) and execute transfer power(#3) by putting a side force on the handle with no longitudinal force along the shaft, which is why there must be no pulling from the left shoulder/arm.
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Old 11-09-2011, 05:41 PM
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You're misinterpreting motion as action. The motion, after the brief right shoulder thrust, is solely a result of the right triceps. But if you spin the flywheel, you will be mixing pulling and pushing, against which Homer warned you!
The left side is always pulling and the right side is always pushing. Regardless of stroke pattern.
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Old 11-10-2011, 01:04 AM
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The left side is always pulling and the right side is always pushing. Regardless of stroke pattern.
Absolutely. Especially the good ones......

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Old 11-10-2011, 02:56 PM
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The left side is always pulling and the right side is always pushing. Regardless of stroke pattern.
A left shoulder being moved by the right triceps action is not the same thing as a pulling left side. In Hitting, the left side is moving, but should not be longitudinally pulling the shaft through the release interval. #2 is push released with the right triceps. Pulling and pushing through the release interval are not synergistic actions, and if done, the push overrides and stifles cf. Further, any pulling in the release interval of a Hitting stroke is disruptive of Hitting impact alignments.
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