Standard Hip Action vs. Delayed Hip Action

[Par71]

According to 10-15-B, "Delayed Hip Action is the only Variation that assures Clearing of the Right Hip in both directions".

Why should clearing of the right hip be more difficult with Standard Hip Action where the hips are even leading the shoulders on the backstroke? And shouldn't the right hip on the downstroke clear just as well with Standard Hip Action as with Delayed Hip Action since the hips lead the shoulders with both procedures?

Is Delayed Hip Action only relevant on full shots or also on chips and pitches?

[Delaware Golf]

Actually Standard Hip Action is most natural (as in throwing a ball).

Most of you already have experienced the correct mechanics in generating an efficient backswing when throwing a baseball (or any ball) underhanded, look no further than Tom Tomasello's demonstration in his Chapter 1 video the "Pivot". Tom's demonstration in throwing a ball is HUGE. Why? The demonstration includes both Standard High Action and The Magic of the Right Forearm (cocking/bending the right forearm from the begining of the backswing (random sweep loading when executed with standard hip action). These two Golfing Machine concepts are natural motions!!! REALLY, watch the video. To reinforce this natural motion, use Tommy's pivot "Stick Drill" which includes the Three Point Set set-up and the 10 Step Sequence drill that follows the golf swing sequence in Chapter 8 of The Golfing Machine text. I normally practice both of these drills prior to hitting balls (a set of 5 to 10 reps each) and then a set of 3 each when alternating between clubs during a practice session (for example, do a set of 3 stick drills, hit 10 balls with a 9 iron, do 3 sets of the ten sequence drill, then hit 10 balls with a 7 iron and so on....)

You use the standard hip action were pivot action is used...from Full swings to pitches to long chips.

In addition to the pivot motion video, Tom describes this very backswing motion (standard hip action and the magic of the right forearm) in his 1991 Golf Illustrated Interview. A copy of that interview is on this website.

Thanks Lynn for making the video and interview available to the entire community of Lynn Blake Golf members.

You can find an example of Tommy executing this swing motion and drills on YouTube or golfswing.com.

http://www.golfswing.com.au/121

Happy Thanksgiving Everyone!!!

DG

[whip]

According to 10-15-B, "Delayed Hip Action is the only Variation that assures Clearing of the Right Hip in both directions".

Why should clearing of the right hip be more difficult with Standard Hip Action where the hips are even leading the shoulders on the backstroke? And shouldn't the right hip on the downstroke clear just as well with Standard Hip Action as with Delayed Hip Action since the hips lead the shoulders with both procedures?

Is Delayed Hip Action only relevant on full shots or also on chips and pitches?

What edition are u reading? In the 4th it does not state that...

Delayed hip action is Especially relevant on short shots because it can be used to prevent overswinging delay hip action it says to pre clear the hip therefore assuring the backstroke clearing and because u pre cleared it forthr backstroke it is cleared and ready for the downstroke both procedures can be relevant to short or long shots I think the point is that delayed can be preset therefore the only procedure thatcan assuredly clear the right hip in both directions this is my opinion If it does state that

[whip]

Does this satisfy your question mysterious one?

[Yoda]

According to 10-15-B, "Delayed Hip Action is the only Variation that assures Clearing of the Right Hip in both directions".

Why should clearing of the right hip be more difficult with Standard Hip Action where the hips are even leading the shoulders on the backstroke? And shouldn't the right hip on the downstroke clear just as well with Standard Hip Action as with Delayed Hip Action since the hips lead the shoulders with both procedures?

In this reference to Delayed Hip Action (and, specifically, the pre-cleared right hip), Homer Kelley was referring primarily to Hitters using the Angle of Approach Procedure (2-J-3). This procedure automatically produces a steeper-than-normal Inclined Plane. Paradoxically, it also produces a more "inside" Clubhead Path.

He told our GSEM Class (January 1982) that unless he pre-cleared his right hip, his Hands would not "trust him" to turn away in Start Up. Instead, they would immediately go back outside the true (more 'inside') Angle of Approach required by this Hitting procedure. So, the only way to satisfy his Hands was to pre-clear the right hip. Then, in his own inimitable way, he told us that if our Hands didn't have that issue, then we might find the pre-clear useful, but not mandatory.

Swingers with their standard Planes and "Swing Back" Motion (as opposed to Hitters using the derived Angle of Approach Plane and their standard "Carry Back" Motion) have more leeway. Here again, the pre-cleared hip might prove useful, but not mandatory.

[12 piece bucket]

In this reference to Delayed Hip Action (and, specifically, the pre-cleared right hip), Homer Kelley was referring primarily to Hitters using the Angle of Approach Procedure (2-J-3). This procedure automatically produces a steeper-than-normal Inclined Plane. Paradoxically, it also produces a more "inside" Clubhead Path.

He told our GSEM Class (January 1982) that unless he pre-cleared his right hip, his Hands would not "trust him" to turn away in Start Up. Instead, they would immediately go back outside the true (more 'inside') Angle of Approach required by this Hitting procedure. So, the only way to satisfy his Hands was to pre-clear the right hip. Then, in his own inimitable way, he told us that if our Hands didn't have that issue, then we might find the pre-clear useful, but not mandatory.

Swingers with their standard Planes and "Swing Back" Motion (as opposed to Hitters using the derived Angle of Approach Plane and their standard "Carry Back" Motion) have more leeway. Here again, the pre-cleared hip might prove useful, but not mandatory.

Agreed...but this is precleared hip is G O L D...GOLD.....hips and knees and on plane right forearm aligned to the angle of approach....beautiful stuff!

[Par71]

Thanks for your thoughtful replies. They are very helpful.

I understand that Delayed Hip Action with preturned Hips will assure Clearing of the Right Hip. But preturning the Hips is not mandatory for Delayed Hip Action, is it? Homer says "Turn the Hips a predetermined amount - or none at all - and then semi-lock them at that point before starting back with either the Shoulders or the Club." (Bold by me.)

I took the quote in my first post above to mean that Delayed Hip Action even without preturned Hips would assure Clearing of the Right Hip, whereas Standard Hip Action would not. Maybe that was not intended.

Whip - My quotes are from the 7th edition.

[Yoda]

I understand that Delayed Hip Action with preturned Hips will assure Clearing of the Right Hip. But preturning the Hips is not mandatory for Delayed Hip Action, is it? Homer says "Turn the Hips a predetermined amount - or none at all - and then semi-lock them at that point before starting back with either the Shoulders or the Club." (Bold by me.)

I took the quote in my first post above to mean that Delayed Hip Action even without preturned Hips would assure Clearing of the Right Hip, whereas Standard Hip Action would not. Maybe that was not intended.

No, Par71, that most certainly was not the intent. In fact, a "sticky" right hip has produced probably more horrendous golf shots under tournament pressure than any other error. Ask Greg Norman, whose closet would have at least one or two green jackets if that were not the case coming down the stretch.

The "or none at all" you bolded refers to those Strokes where no Hip Turn -- pre-cleared or otherwise -- is necessary, e.g., a ten-foot putt.

[12 piece bucket]

Master Machinist Eddie Cox....Preturn the right hip until the "line" from the left knee joint to right hip socket is parallel to the angle of approach approximated by the on plane right forearm that is the right forearm flying wedge....hand path also complying to this line...at top the left arm also has a parallel relationship to the angle of approach...right shoulder working OUT to the plane line on the line as well...sweet spot driven out...low deep hands hitting with a standing discus LAUNCHING pivot...game changing pattern....

[whip]

Originally Posted by Par71
I understand that Delayed Hip Action with preturned Hips will assure Clearing of the Right Hip. But preturning the Hips is not mandatory for Delayed Hip Action, is it? Homer says "Turn the Hips a predetermined amount - or none at all - and then semi-lock them at that point before starting back with either the Shoulders or the Club." (Bold by me.)

I took the quote in my first post above to mean that Delayed Hip Action even without preturned Hips would assure Clearing of the Right Hip, whereas Standard Hip Action would not. Maybe that was not intended.

No, Par71, that most certainly was not the intent. In fact, a "sticky" right hip has produced probably more horrendous golf shots under tournament pressure than any other error. Ask Greg Norman, whose closet would have at least one or two green jackets if that were not the case coming down the stretch.

The "or none at all" you bolded refers to those Strokes where no Hip Turn -- pre-cleared or otherwise -- is necessary, e.g., a ten-foot putt.

I do not think putting would be applicable to a delayed hip action because the hips power the downstroke shoulder turn with this variation, I think you would use zero hip action with zero hip turn for putting...