Not sure you're talking about the same move: when you say "elbow turn" I see (and it looks like MizunoJoe too) a movement of the entire arm from the shoulder. That could intefere with the pressure on #4. #3 release is pronation/supination, a movement of the forearm ("wrist movement" in TGM terms).
Yeah, the L elbow turn is a CCW movement of the whole upper arm from shoulder to elbow.
But actually, it helps add pressure to #4. When I turn my L elbow (whole upper arm bone actually), my L triceps "presses" into the side of my chest/torso/armpit. So it doesn't interfere with #4, in fact it helps a lot. I actually don't feel PP#4 much when I don't turn the L elbow.
Re #3 release as supination..movement of the forearm/wrist movement...moving the upper arm actually will move the elbow, which in turn moves the forearm, which in turn the wrist...it is just like painting but you are holding the paintbrush at the opposite end...turning the forearm or wrist itself is like holding the paintbrush near the brush...
Yeah, the L elbow turn is a CCW movement of the whole upper arm from shoulder to elbow.
But actually, it helps add pressure to #4. When I turn my L elbow (whole upper arm bone actually), my L triceps "presses" into the side of my chest/torso/armpit. So it doesn't interfere with #4, in fact it helps a lot. I actually don't feel PP#4 much when I don't turn the L elbow.
Re #3 release as supination..movement of the forearm/wrist movement...moving the upper arm actually will move the elbow, which in turn moves the forearm, which in turn the wrist...it is just like painting but you are holding the paintbrush at the opposite end...turning the forearm or wrist itself is like holding the paintbrush near the brush...
So, let's ask a painter which one is better?...
What's better is to actually understand release of #3, and neither one of those is correct. The driving right shoulder moves the LFW off plane and the RFW on plane at Impact. The left shoulder, and entire left arm, including the elbow, should be inert. The left wrist can full roll(requires manipulation), half roll(happens naturally - no manipulation required), or unrolled(requires manipulation) , but that's Hinge Action, not #3 release.
What's better is to actually understand release of #3, and neither one of those is correct. The driving right shoulder moves the LFW off plane and the RFW on plane at Impact. The left shoulder, and entire left arm, including the elbow, should be inert. The left wrist can full roll(requires manipulation), half roll(happens naturally - no manipulation required), or unrolled(requires manipulation) , but that's Hinge Action, not #3 release.
Hmmm...I see...so what's the #3 Release? So my intentional roll is actually just manipulation resulting to Full Roll. How do you Release #3 in TGM then? The Throw Out? Just CF?
Hmmm...I see...so what's the #3 Release? So my intentional roll is actually just manipulation resulting to Full Roll. How do you Release #3 in TGM then? The Throw Out? Just CF?
Yes, the driving right shoulder along with tracing the Plane Line with PP#3 rolls the LFW, whether or not you roll the left wrist intentionally. Angled Hinged Swingers also, have Throwout.
The driving right shoulder moves the LFW off plane and the RFW on plane at Impact.
Nitpicking maybe, but the LAW is never on plane. The only way it could have been on plane was if the left shoulder was on plane, something it never is - at least not before impact - except for us lefties
Nitpicking maybe, but the LFW is never on plane. The only way it could have been on plane was if the left shoulder was on plane, something it never is - at least not before impact - except for us lefties
Bernt,
That's not nitpicky - just identifying a gross error in description - which your notation would help any newbie from becoming confused.
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Bernt,
That's not nitpicky - just identifying a gross error in description - which your notation would help any newbie from becoming confused.
The gross error in description in this thread is the description of Throwout being the rotation of the left wrist. Interesting that neither of you two non-nitpickers were concerned enough about possible newbie confusion to point it out.
Nitpicking maybe, but the LAW is never on plane. The only way it could have been on plane was if the left shoulder was on plane, something it never is - at least not before impact - except for us lefties
Not even close. Just look at the plane of the club shaft as it starts moving down.
At :55 the shaft isn't starting down and the entire LFW including the left shoulder is dead on plane. I guess a nitpicker's "never" isn't as precise as might be expected.
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