CF in hitting. - LynnBlakeGolf Forums

CF in hitting.

Emergency Room - Hitters

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 08-03-2012, 10:47 AM
Daryl's Avatar
Daryl Daryl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,521
Originally Posted by BerntR View Post
G.O.L.F: Geometrical Oriented Linear Force.

..........The release will effectively increase the swing radius. The club will not pick up speed just because of this swing radius extension. Instead the handle will slow down dramatically unless......

.... unless the golfer resists the hands from slowing down. And in a good golf stroke, the golfer will resist how much CF slows down the hands - by producing a very strong linear force during the release interval. And that's what gives the added swing speed. Always linear force. And only linear force. The only thing that produces swing speed. It's on the front page.

The release works like a gear shift. Hands will move slower, yet the linear force applied is greater, adding leverage to the hitter's driving right arm and the pivot via left arm & extensior action.
(Red by Daryl)

I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.

No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
__________________
Daryl

Last edited by Daryl : 08-03-2012 at 11:02 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 08-03-2012, 11:14 AM
HungryBear HungryBear is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 759
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
(Red by Daryl)

I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.

No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove the existence of Centrifugal Force?

We do need some caution in analysis. Lag- extends to the last lagging component-the hands are in that chain- up through the power-package and into the pivot.

hb
Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 08-03-2012, 11:29 AM
O.B.Left O.B.Left is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 3,433
Just grip and rip it ..... sheeez! You tgm guys are nuts.

Last edited by O.B.Left : 08-03-2012 at 11:32 AM.
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 08-03-2012, 11:59 AM
BerntR's Avatar
BerntR BerntR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 981
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
(Red by Daryl)

I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing. Although Release will slow the Hands, the "Pulley" analogy explains the method by which Golfers can and do compensate.

No Linear Force in Hitting or Swinging. No need to manipulate or steer. The Ball can respond to an Angular Force as though it were struck by a Linear Force.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
Agree about "angular force" as far as impact is concerned. (It's an odd term though) But my response was in the context of how swing speed is produced during the release. It is linear force or some force that contains or leads to linear force, that produces swing speed. The physics' equivalent to TGM's linear force would be tangential force, btw. The force (components) that coincides 100% with the direction of the club head motion.

Steering and manipulation is not required to produce linear force.

COAM - I don't want to go there today. IT's a beast! PM me if you want a long version about COAM in golf. I have a link I can dig up.
__________________
Best regards,

Bernt
Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 08-03-2012, 01:47 PM
MizunoJoe MizunoJoe is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 719
Originally Posted by Daryl View Post

I don't want to Thread-Jack but this is disturbing.

Also, and one small point. ..... If COAM exists with both Swingers and Hitters, doesn't that prove CF exists with both Swingers and Hitters?
Here is some real disturbance,

(Berndt in blue)

"CF doesn't produce any swing speed... there is a CF/CF pair alive... Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist... The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right(sic) wrist and release."


So he says CF doesn't produce any swing speed, but does cause the wrist to uncock, which does produce swing speed!

Even more disturbing is the fact that he ignored my question about Hitting and gave a presentation on Swinging.

Finally, since CF is preempted by muscle in Hitting, then I personally consider it not only unused, but nonexistent as well.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 08-03-2012, 06:08 PM
Daryl's Avatar
Daryl Daryl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,521
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Here is some real disturbance,

(Berndt in blue)

"CF doesn't produce any swing speed... there is a CF/CF pair alive... Caught in the middle you have a cocked left wrist... The two forces pulling from each side of the hands will cause or contribute to uncocking of the right(sic) wrist and release."


So he says CF doesn't produce any swing speed, but does cause the wrist to uncock, which does produce swing speed!

Even more disturbing is the fact that he ignored my question about Hitting and gave a presentation on Swinging.

Finally, since CF is preempted by muscle in Hitting, then I personally consider it not only unused, but nonexistent as well.
LOL,

At Impact, the Left Wrist is Vertical, so the Left wrist is moving the Clubhead "Straight Up and Down"? Right? And how is that a forward motion?

"Magic of the Right Forearm": as CF causes the Left Arm to Blast off the Chest into it's own Orbit, the Right Arm begins Straightening. The Uncocking Left wrist merely accommodates/synchronizes Changes in the Triangle Geometry. HK Calls the #2 Accumulator "Velocity" because the Clubhead is overtaking. But it's not overtaking the Right Forearm Wedge (the right wrist remains Level and Bent) and it has no effect or change regarding "Rhythm" (RPM).

When Uncocking the Left Wrist causes Clubhead forward motion, then a bent left wrist at impact is inevitable.

Furthermore, as the Left Wrist Rolls past Low-Point, the Left Wrist continues to Uncock (The Left Wrist is Level at Impact) and is therefore going "Backwards" (Direction) until Full Extension.
__________________
Daryl

Last edited by Daryl : 08-03-2012 at 06:10 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 08-03-2012, 06:28 PM
BerntR's Avatar
BerntR BerntR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 981
Daryl,

I'm not sure whether I was the target here or not, but I don't see anything in there that I disagree with.

Originally Posted by Daryl View Post
LOL,

At Impact, the Left Wrist is Vertical, so the Left wrist is moving the Clubhead "Straight Up and Down"? Right? And how is that a forward motion?

"Magic of the Right Forearm": as CF causes the Left Arm to Blast off the Chest into it's own Orbit, the Right Arm begins Straightening. The Uncocking Left wrist merely accommodates/synchronizes Changes in the Triangle Geometry. HK Calls the #2 Accumulator "Velocity" because the Clubhead is overtaking. But it's not overtaking the Right Forearm Wedge (the right wrist remains Level and Bent) and it has no effect or change regarding "Rhythm" (RPM).

When Uncocking the Left Wrist causes Clubhead forward motion, then a bent left wrist at impact is inevitable.

Furthermore, as the Left Wrist Rolls past Low-Point, the Left Wrist continues to Uncock (The Left Wrist is Level at Impact) and is therefore going "Backwards" (Direction) until Full Extension.
__________________
Best regards,

Bernt
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 08-03-2012, 08:34 PM
Daryl's Avatar
Daryl Daryl is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: Illinois
Posts: 3,521
I was LOL because (DARYL RED) was followed with (Berndt in blue). I thought that was funny. Good, but funny.

I think that were all pretty much on the same page with Throwout and Driveout.
__________________
Daryl
Reply With Quote
  #9  
Old 08-03-2012, 06:23 PM
BerntR's Avatar
BerntR BerntR is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Posts: 981
Originally Posted by MizunoJoe View Post
Here is some real disturbance,
So he says CF doesn't produce any swing speed, but does cause the wrist to uncock, which does produce swing speed!
If you prefer to be confused I can't help you.
Quote:

Even more disturbing is the fact that he ignored my question about Hitting and gave a presentation on Swinging.
No I didn't. Read the last sentence one more time, please...
Quote:

Finally, since CF is preempted by muscle in Hitting, then I personally consider it not only unused, but nonexistent as well.
Then what causes the club head to move along a curved path from top to finish? Feel free to invent a new physics and explain to the masses.
__________________
Best regards,

Bernt
Reply With Quote
  #10  
Old 08-17-2012, 03:01 PM
MizunoJoe MizunoJoe is offline
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 719
Originally Posted by BerntR View Post

Then what causes the club head to move along a curved path from top to finish? Feel free to invent a new physics and explain to the masses.
Because the left arm/club is attached to the left shoulder and the right triceps pushes on them - pretty basic grade school level physics. You don't seem to be able to grasp the fact that in Hitting, the left wrist is uncocked solely by the right triceps.

The uncocking right elbow directly and completely uncocks the left wrist. The shaft does not freewheel through the release interval.
Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 11:08 PM.


Design by Vjacheslav Trushkin, color scheme by ColorizeIt!.