Everyone of those drives hit by Hogan landed in the water within a few feet of each other. I attended a 3-day, 12 hours per day, golf symposium in January with Mac O'Grady (who relies heavily on TGM) and we watched this video at the end of the last day. Mac is a HUGE Hogan fan (as well as Snead).
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
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Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
EDIT:
Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Actaully I have heard others on other forums make this claim, but no one has been able to offer any proof. It was always heard from someone who heard it from someone.
Everyone of those drives hit by Hogan landed in the water within a few feet of each other. I attended a 3-day, 12 hours per day, golf symposium in January with Mac O'Grady (who relies heavily on TGM) and we watched this video at the end of the last day. Mac is a HUGE Hogan fan (as well as Snead).
Bruce
Welcome aboard, Bruce. And thanks for this first post. Keep'em coming!
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
Moe liked Bertholy's book and used some of its terminolgy. For example, he referred to his Right Hand as the Claw. He also liked to talk in terms of "how well I hit my positions." I do not know if he ever met Paul, but even if he did, I would be surprised if they worked on his swing together.
Regarding TGM, Paul never met Homer Kelley nor did he have any TGM exposure.
As far as my 'personal take,' I wrote several posts on Brian Manzella's site (www.brianmanzella.com where I post as holenone) and perhaps on Chuck's (www.chuckevansgolf.com). I'm sure a search on my archives would produce them rather quickly.
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. What I couldn't tell was how he aligned his shoulders to the target line.
I hit some balls on the range with a similar stance and actually played a round of golf that way today. I kept my shoulders square, but pulled the right foot back similar to what he does in this video.
Having the right foot back seemed to make it really easy to take the club back on an inside and flat plane....which seems to feel most natural to me. To my surprise, I did not hit a bunch of hooks, in fact I think I only hit one hook and it was purely from flipping my hands at the bottom.
I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Stance Line does not effect Plane or Target Line. (2-J-2)
The Closed Stance And The Right Hip / Right Elbow Conflict
Originally Posted by Trigolt
I noticed Hogan had a closed stance. I'm just curious about the geometric reasons for why this set-up produced a ton of good shots for me today. I don't think I was making any compensations....just taking it back insided and flat and trying to come down on the same plane.
Simply put, the Closed Stance with its automatic Short Pivot (10-12-B) produces a free Backstroke Turn (albeit with a restricted Follow-Through). This makes it easier to Clear the Right Hip in the Backstroke.
Failure to Clear the Right Hip during Start Up produces a Right Elbow-Right Hip conflict and is a problem epidemic in the Golf World. The Hands resolve this conflict without fanfare simply by going around the Hip. Unfortunately, that means you are now above Plane and must re-route the Club at some point to return correctly to the Ball. Most offenders never make it.
Hence, Homer included 'Clear Right Hip' as an important checkpoint in his Mechanical Checklist For All Strokes (12-3 #13).
Lynn,
I'm not sure where I heard this. I don't know if it is true or not...probably not. If it was in '82 that you worked with him, it would have definantly been before that if Hogan saw him when he rebuilt his swing. Since Bertholy didn't mention it, it probably didn't happen.
EDIT:
Lynn,
Would it have, by any chance, been Moe Norman that worked with Bertholy some? Maybe this is who I'm thinking of?
Since you worked with Paul, what was your take on him and what he taught? Did he know Homer or have any TGM experience?
According to Paul (and his wife), Moe spent time with Paul. I spent 3 days with him about 2 or 3 years before he died. He did say that Moe would stop by his house to discuss golf and work on things. And like Yoda said he wasn't shy about self-promotion. He was a nice guy. He was pretty sick when I was there. He actually did some instruction with me in his PJ's. He said that Leadbetter and McLean had been to see him and gave him no credit.
Could be wrong about this, but I think I recall him saying he never met Hogan. Can't remember though. His sales pitch for his golf school was that he could make you swing like Hogan. The big thing was getting into static positions and holding them.
Top notch guy and his wife made a helluva chicken salad sandwich too.
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