I interpreted the flattening of the right wrist as a method to train the pivot, specifically the left hip to rotate more and faster, ahead of the hands. Extreme hands controlled pivot. Hands and pivot feed off of each other. Trying to flatten the right wrist will cause the hips to rotate faster, and the faster rotation of the hips will prevent throwaway. I never got the impression he espoused a flat right wrist during impact. Just demonstrating the importance of clearing the left hip as soon and as much as possible.
I understand your interpretation. All I am saying is that there should be no need for it!
The whole Star System of G.O.L.F. is based on Precision Mechanics being Translated -- not interpreted -- into Identifiable Feels. Golf Instruction should require an absolute minimum of "interpretation" -- that is why Homer Kelley invented his unique G.O.L.F. vocabulary based on simple dictionary English. This is especially true when it comes to interpreting instruction that says "Undo the (Right Wrist) Bend through Impact." The disclaimer "You won't be able to" (because of the pivot) neither negates nor justifies the instruction to do so.
Once again, I reiterate my own experience with this instruction: The video specifically says to try to "undo" the right wrist Bend through Impact. Well, I could. And did. Repeatedly. With predictable results.
The incontrovertible fact is that the video recommends the player attempt a Horizontal Motion of the Right Wrist through Impact. And this simply is not a move taught by Homer Kelley in his book The Golfing Machine.
No matter what procedure i use i never try to release. "Release" the right elbow if hitting yes, but i always try to keep the right wrist bent. I'm positve i do a lot less well than i think tho.
In chapter 3 he says try to undo the bend but you won't be able to because the left hip is clearing. He says it right about the 4:30 minute mark.
But he doesn't say...."Undo it Undo it"....what Tomasello is getting at....with PROPERLY executed "EXTENSOR ACTION" you will have a hard time throwing the clubhead away as long you "LET" the left hip clear.
AS YOU WATCH THE COMPLETE SERIES and after multiple viewings....and I mean multiple viewings....until then interpretation could be a problem based on your prior knowledge of the golf swing.
DG
In all of my reading and listening to thirty audios of Homer teaching, I've NEVER heard him say "undo the bend." That sounds to me to be a destructive statement. I don't get it. What he was trying to say is beyond me...
I'm not trying to step on any toes here...most importantly to me, Homer's toes.
In chapter 3 he says try to undo the bend but you won't be able to because the left hip is clearing. He says it right about the 4:30 minute mark.
But he doesn't say...."Undo it Undo it"....what Tomasello is getting at....with PROPERLY executed "EXTENSOR ACTION" you will have a hard time throwing the clubhead away as long you "LET" the left hip clear.
AS YOU WATCH THE COMPLETE SERIES and after multiple viewings....and I mean multiple viewings....until then interpretation could be a problem based on your prior knowledge of the golf swing.
DG
In all of my reading and listening to thirty audios of Homer teaching, I've NEVER heard him say "undo the bend." That sounds to me to be a destructive statement. I don't get it. What he was trying to say is beyond me...
I'm not trying to step on any toes here...most importantly to me, Homer's toes.
G.O.L.F.E.R.s,
I think some of the things on this Australian tape are related to Tom's relationship with Peter Croker. I never heard Tom say something like this "undo the bend" remark until after he went to Australia. The TGM book does have a statement that says something like... in the end, this all may seem to be reversed. I believe I remember Tom using this statement.
For most procedures... I believe Tom advocated maintaining the BENT RIGHT WRIST.
Accelerating Radially and Longitudinally.....
Which one?
Making a horizontal wrist (grip) motion by trying to flatten the right wrist through impact.....
Doesn't Mr. Kelley state (4-D-1) Hitters, especially, must learn to straighten the Right Arm without flattening the Right Wrist?
Where to begin? Where to begin?
Make your points, Drew. They are good ones. Let the dialogues begin!
In addition to making a horizontal wrist (grip) motion by trying to flatten the right wrist through impact.....
Tomasello advocates a four-accumulator Swing. A four-accumulator stroke is for Hitting.
If the motion of the number four is action to any degree, it would change the current three barrel to be classified as four barrel pattern.
The right shoulder starts the motion, loading the right arm for hitting. As the right arm is loaded and can move faster than the right shoulder, it will take over the action (thrusting).
A four accumulator hitting stroke, hoewever, is not necessary. The right shoulder action’s, direction and thrust must be so precise if the degree of action is much more than passive motion. The tradeoff of distance vs. direction is not worth the risk.
You can use a four-barrel (accumulator) swing but, there is absolutely no point in it. No advantage can be gained. You will over power the steady force of centrifugal force. Further, centrifugal force will always try to resist any right arm intrusion. Why try if there is no advantage and the possibility of causing potential problems?
I like Tom's idea of the using the right hand for power and trying to unbend the wrist. I use this type of swing (more of a Croker swing) and my feeling is that I get alot of power trying to unbend the wrist. As long as I keep rotating, the unbend really never happens until after impact. I have looked at this on video and at impact there is still bend in my wrist with the FLW, although I am trying to unbend it. Kind of goes against TGM, but it works for me. However, if I stop rotating, then it is fat city! This video of Tom is awesome! Thanks.
Can you give us some background info on your experience with TGM or TGM related areas....ie; years you have studied the book, if you have studied with an authorized instructor(s) of TGM,....do you have a college level education in physics, mathematics, or biomechanics?
DG
Whistle blows and Bagger the referee steps in with hands raised signaling timeout...
Over the loudspeaker...
There won't be any personal confrontations in this thread. We will focus on dialog only. Let's keep it civil please.
DG - Address the comments only, and only if you wish to.
Other players - We have the highest respect for Tommy and we value constructive dialog regarding his teachings. Let's seek understanding.
In chapter 3 he says try to undo the bend but you won't be able to because the left hip is clearing. He says it right about the 4:30 minute mark.
But he doesn't say...."Undo it Undo it"....what Tomasello is getting at....with PROPERLY executed "EXTENSOR ACTION" you will have a hard time throwing the clubhead away as long you "LET" the left hip clear.
AS YOU WATCH THE COMPLETE SERIES and after multiple viewings....and I mean multiple viewings....until then interpretation could be a problem based on your prior knowledge of the golf swing.
DG
D,
This wasn't meant to be an affront on Mr. T. I was simply pointing out the fact that it was said and precisely the point at which he said it. In addition to saying it he demonstrates it. If anyone wants to see it, it's there 4:30 Chapter 3. Whether or not I'm capable of interpreting based on prior knowledge, I was simply stating that he said it.
Accelerating Radially and Longitudinally.....
Which one?
Making a horizontal wrist (grip) motion by trying to flatten the right wrist through impact.....
Doesn't Mr. Kelley state (4-D-1) Hitters, especially, must learn to straighten the Right Arm without flattening the Right Wrist?
Where to begin? Where to begin?
Make your points, Drew. They are good ones. Let the dialogues begin!
In addition to making a horizontal wrist (grip) motion by trying to flatten the right wrist through impact.....
Tomasello advocates a four-accumulator Swing. A four-accumulator stroke is for Hitting.
If the motion of the number four is action to any degree, it would change the current three barrel to be classified as four barrel pattern.
The right shoulder starts the motion, loading the right arm for hitting. As the right arm is loaded and can move faster than the right shoulder, it will take over the action (thrusting).
A four accumulator hitting stroke, hoewever, is not necessary. The right shoulder action’s, direction and thrust must be so precise if the degree of action is much more than passive motion. The tradeoff of distance vs. direction is not worth the risk.
You can use a four-barrel (accumulator) swing but, there is absolutely no point in it. No advantage can be gained. You will over power the steady force of centrifugal force. Further, centrifugal force will always try to resist any right arm intrusion. Why try if there is no advantage and the possibility of causing potential problems?
Drewitgolf,
Can you give us some background info on your experience with TGM or TGM related areas....ie; years you have studied the book, if you have studied with an authorized instructor(s) of TGM,....do you have a college level education in physics, mathematics, or biomechanics?
DG
Drew Chapman
Currently, Head PGA Golf Professional Highland Country Club Attleboro, MA (19 years)
PGA Member 18 Years
Former President and Director of Education for the Rhode Island PGA.
I have been studying and teaching TGM since 1987.
I, like Homer Kelley, do not have a degree in engineering. I have a B.S. in Business Administration (however, my father and oldest son are engineers; if that counts)
Some of the Authorized Instructors that I have work with at PGA seminars, workshops, business schools etc. include: Ben Doyle, Gregg McHatton, Mike Hebron.
I have also studied the works of Bill McKinney, Bob Schaeffer, Mark Evershed, Tom Tomasello (believe it or not) as well as the forums of Chuck Evans, Brian Manzella and our own Lynn Blake.
I have also studied the scientific works of Dr David Williams, P. Fowlie, John Zumerchik and Theodore P. Jorgensen. I will even include Joe Dante, Alister Corcoran and John Stobbs.
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