Angle of Approach Alignment Questions

[stevem]

Hi all you hitters,

Would appreciate advice or links to answers on the following questions after watching Ted's "Address Routine for Hitters" video. I apologize in advance if I missed the answers, I did some searching in the TGM basics and hitting emergency room forums and can't seem to find the answers.

1. The "Angle of Approach" or "Delivery Line" is oriented to the right of "Target Line" (for right handers, it points toward "right field"). Are there general guidelines as to how far to the right? Or is it something you have to work out by feel? And does the angle "toward right field" vary with the club you are using? (I'm not asking for a precise formula, unless it exists, but more like "I imagine a line 20 yards to the right of target with the driver" kind of feedback from those of you who use the technique.)

2. During impact fix, the back of left wrist will be flat and the back of the left hand will point along the delivery line toward "right field". What is the alignment of the clubface reltive to the delivery line? I.e., does the clubface also point toward "right field"? Or is it open/closed? (It seems to me from my own experience that the clubface should be closed to the delivery line and open to the target line, but I don't trust my swing or understanding of TGM yet enough to be sure about this.)

3. Ted says in the video that "the target line evaporates and all he sees is the delivery line". I can understand that concept, but how do you deal with this situation when the delivery line points right at a hazard or something nasty? (Concious mind says "ball will not go there, don't worry", but subconcious mind says "better make sure" and then who knows where the ball will go!)

PS. The "Addres Routine for Hitters" video content is great and really improved my understanding/execution of the hitting pattern. Highly recommend it to others and definitely worth the premium price, especially if like me you don't have a TGM instructor nearby. Also appreciate all the great posts here in the "emergeny room", thanks folks!

[KevCarter]

Hi all you hitters,

Would appreciate advice or links to answers on the following questions after watching Ted's "Address Routine for Hitters" video. I apologize in advance if I missed the answers, I did some searching in the TGM basics and hitting emergency room forums and can't seem to find the answers.

1. The "Angle of Approach" or "Delivery Line" is oriented to the right of "Target Line" (for right handers, it points toward "right field"). Are there general guidelines as to how far to the right? Or is it something you have to work out by feel? And does the angle "toward right field" vary with the club you are using? (I'm not asking for a precise formula, unless it exists, but more like "I imagine a line 20 yards to the right of target with the driver" kind of feedback from those of you who use the technique.)

2. During impact fix, the back of left wrist will be flat and the back of the left hand will point along the delivery line toward "right field". What is the alignment of the clubface reltive to the delivery line? I.e., does the clubface also point toward "right field"? Or is it open/closed? (It seems to me from my own experience that the clubface should be closed to the delivery line and open to the target line, but I don't trust my swing or understanding of TGM yet enough to be sure about this.)

3. Ted says in the video that "the target line evaporates and all he sees is the delivery line". I can understand that concept, but how do you deal with this situation when the delivery line points right at a hazard or something nasty? (Concious mind says "ball will not go there, don't worry", but subconcious mind says "better make sure" and then who knows where the ball will go!)

PS. The "Addres Routine for Hitters" video content is great and really improved my understanding/execution of the hitting pattern. Highly recommend it to others and definitely worth the premium price, especially if like me you don't have a TGM instructor nearby. Also appreciate all the great posts here in the "emergeny room", thanks folks!

Steve,

To get started with a partial answer, this picture was a big help in my understanding of the geometry of the circle. It shows that the club head path is to the right of the target line simply because we are striking the ball before low point. The club is just moving down the inclined plane line. It then swings back up the plane to the left after low point...

Kevin

[12 piece bucket]

Steve,

To get started with a partial answer, this picture was a big help in my understanding of the geometry of the circle. It shows that the club head path is to the right of the target line simply because we are striking the ball before low point. The club is just moving down the inclined plane line. It then swings back up the plane to the left after low point...

Kevin

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Great picture . . . this is where golf lessons should begin . . . Did you make that? Really nice . . . would be pretty cool to make it a little bigger and put the hand paths on there too.

Nice work!

[KevCarter]

Great picture . . . this is where golf lessons should begin . . . Did you make that? Really nice . . . would be pretty cool to make it a little bigger and put the hand paths on there too.

Nice work!

No-No, no credit to me bucket. I have NOTHING original, just good at copy and paste. I steal good stuff like that from all over the internet, including your posts.

Kevin

[12 piece bucket]

Hi all you hitters,

Would appreciate advice or links to answers on the following questions after watching Ted's "Address Routine for Hitters" video. I apologize in advance if I missed the answers, I did some searching in the TGM basics and hitting emergency room forums and can't seem to find the answers.

1. The "Angle of Approach" or "Delivery Line" is oriented to the right of "Target Line" (for right handers, it points toward "right field"). Are there general guidelines as to how far to the right? Or is it something you have to work out by feel? And does the angle "toward right field" vary with the club you are using? (I'm not asking for a precise formula, unless it exists, but more like "I imagine a line 20 yards to the right of target with the driver" kind of feedback from those of you who use the technique.)

2. During impact fix, the back of left wrist will be flat and the back of the left hand will point along the delivery line toward "right field". What is the alignment of the clubface reltive to the delivery line? I.e., does the clubface also point toward "right field"? Or is it open/closed? (It seems to me from my own experience that the clubface should be closed to the delivery line and open to the target line, but I don't trust my swing or understanding of TGM yet enough to be sure about this.)

3. Ted says in the video that "the target line evaporates and all he sees is the delivery line". I can understand that concept, but how do you deal with this situation when the delivery line points right at a hazard or something nasty? (Concious mind says "ball will not go there, don't worry", but subconcious mind says "better make sure" and then who knows where the ball will go!)

PS. The "Addres Routine for Hitters" video content is great and really improved my understanding/execution of the hitting pattern. Highly recommend it to others and definitely worth the premium price, especially if like me you don't have a TGM instructor nearby. Also appreciate all the great posts here in the "emergeny room", thanks folks!

Good questions . . . .

1. Mr. Kelley in the 5th edition had an approximation of the Angle of Approach Delivery Line/Path and as usual it is derived from Impact Geometry. The procedure is basically go to Fix get your Right Forearm Flying Wedge assembled with the Right Forearm on-plane with the shaft. Now imagine the picture that Kev put up in the prior post. An approximation of the Angle of Approach is a line on the ground that is parallel to your on-plane Right Forearm at Fix. So basically you are gonna approximate your hand path back up and in on the "line" of the Right Forearm and down out and forward down that "line" as well.

2. The answer is . . . DEPENDS on the type of shot you are trying to hit. Bottom line is the ball is going to separate essentially at 90 degrees to the face (imagine one of those face angle magnets) so essentially you want your face "looking" where you'd like the ball to start. Then your path in releation to the face is going to determine the curvature . . . if the path is right of the direction the face is "looking" ball curves left . . . if it is left of where the face is looking ball curves right . . . if face and path "match" ball don't curve. So basically you'll want to experiment with how you align the face and where you place the ball in the stance or how much you "hit out" on it.

3. The short answer is grow a set and trust your geometry . . . the other answer is cheat a little bit. If you are concerned with trouble right . . . adjust your machine and buy yourself some right insurance. Put the ball up in your stance some, closer to low point(taking some of the "right" out of your path) close the face a lil' bit (remembering the ball starts where the face is "looking"). Adjust your fix alignments to match so you don't have so much shaft lean (right vector). Also keep in mind just because you swing right don't mean the ball is gonna go right. Imagine you are swinging 20 degrees "to the right" . . . your face would have to be OPEN 21 degrees for the ball to curve right. So the real danger in "swinging right" at a big angle is more a diving hook. You could get to swinging so far right that it would be difficult to get the face open enough that the divergence didn't put so much side spin on the ball that it couldn't dive left. AND keep in mind that you don't have to be an Angle of Approach Hitter . . . you CAN Hit on the "true" geometric Plane Line . . . just trace the orignal Plane Line and Push/Drive down that line.

[okie]

Nice, RC! You are the wind beneath my wings! #3 has helped me out quite a bit. I "cheat" all the time! It drives home the reality that every shot is distinct and must be "chosen." This idea of "just hitting it" is incomplete. You gotta verify a plane line...select a hinge action...load...store and release etc.

[12 piece bucket]

Nice, RC! You are the wind beneath my wings! #3 has helped me out quite a bit. I "cheat" all the time! It drives home the reality that every shot is distinct and must be "chosen." This idea of "just hitting it" is incomplete. You gotta verify a plane line...select a hinge action...load...store and release etc.

You my friend are an adjustable machine . . . my machine is freakin' broke with a driver though.

[okie]

What is your tendency? A month ago I started to hit push-cuts (not a shot I am well familiar with) I didn't panic. After a bucket of golf balls I moved the ball an inch closer to low point and presto! I had it too far back. Is your driver a good fit and have you suffered any traumatic experiences that may reduce you to gelatin (Mike O aside)

[12 piece bucket]

What is your tendency? A month ago I started to hit push-cuts (not a shot I am well familiar with) I didn't panic. After a bucket of golf balls I moved the ball an inch closer to low point and presto! I had it too far back. Is your driver a good fit and have you suffered any traumatic experiences that may reduce you to gelatin (Mike O aside)

Compromised Right Shoulder geometry from lotsa goat humping . . . hips go toward the plane line instead of parallel to the plane line . . . . shaft lays down gets under plane . . . face has to get really open to hit a push otherwise the path is so far right of the face it goes HARD left.

[O.B.Left]

Bucket have you tried "ABG", Ass Back Golf? Im reluctant to give the name of my future book away but there you have it. The lever extension coming more from the left knee than the spine angle as a drill or a feel to help steady the left shoulder in 3D space.