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As you know - there is no way that any one could try to follow "everyone's" posts on this thread or forum and integrate them all - in order to understand "the Golfing Machine". So many different perspectives, not fully explained (for various reasons), seldom are posts clarified to denote whether they describe a Golfing Machine concept, a perceived Golfing Machine concept, or an elaboration or interpretation, or new original thought. Now, I include any of my posts in that description. If I were trying to learn from this forum I'd definitely pick one person and try to ask questions of them until I understood what they were saying. I certainly don't have the time to be one of those. So, given the number of conversations and perspectives I wasn't going to add another voice to this thread
Mike I didnt ask a question of you. You offered to add your opinion on a very specific question in post #14 (not the entire post) at a later date. I merely expressed an interest in hearing it. Your opinion. My apologies if you thought I was putting you on the spot or something. That was not my intention . My interest was earnest and honest .... I value your opinion.
You participation , to whatever amount you see fit , is one of the good things around here.
Question #2 May I remind everybody that this is a thread on Grip Types...
Like I said in the first post, I have a number of questions on 7-2. So here's my second question:
Quote:
The back of the Flat Left Wrist and the Lag Pressure Point (6-C-2-0) BOTH facing down the Angle of Approach (Alternate Target Line 2-J-3). Otherwise, per 7-3, both must face down the Right Forearm Impact Fix Alignment regardless of the true Angle of Approach (2-J-3 and 7-5).
The first sentence seems to refer to the Clubhead Angle of Approach (the straight line through Impact Point and Low Point, as illustrated in 2-C-1 #3). Whereas the second sentence seems to refer to the Right Forearm Angle of Approach.
So don't these two sentences contradict one another? One calling for the true Angle of Approach and the other for disregarding it? Or what is the meaning of "otherwise" here?
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Because:
Hinge type - angled v. horizontal
Elbow position - punch v. pitch
Power application - swing v. hit
#3 pp - fixed v. roll
And all the ot6her alignment create the "otherwise"
Go to 6-H-0 and the shopping lists.
What may seem a simple question in fact requires a (the) book to answer.
Remembering the hands are the command post and the only way to communicate with the club- via. the grip.;
So it may look as if your thread is hijacked when in fact a very small part has been covered.
hb
I'm being sincere in this since I have hijacked a lot of threads from being just not knowledgable enough to get right to the issue so I take the long way around and get thrown off. For example, I'd love to know if Mike Austin, Moe Norman, and Ben Hogan all had the same grip types. I don't know, but you see in asking the question it looks like I'm trying to jack the thread. I'm not.
So maybe a real clear description is in order for what is "thread jacking?"
ICT
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I'm being sincere in this since I have hijacked a lot of threads from being just not knowledgable enough to get right to the issue so I take the long way around and get thrown off. For example, I'd love to know if Mike Austin, Moe Norman, and Ben Hogan all had the same grip types. I don't know, but you see in asking the question it looks like I'm trying to jack the thread. I'm not.
So maybe a real clear description is in order for what is "thread jacking?"
ICT
Well, this requires a 2 part answer:
"everyone" knows a thread is a thin piece of string-
AND
As I learned just the other day from Daryl- "jacking" is a form of steering.
Sooo
There is no physics in "thread jacking" because every engineer knows
- YOU CAN'T PUSH A STRING -
I have a number of questions concerning chapter 7-2. Let's start with this one:
In 2-J-1. IMPACT ALIGNMENTS (CLUBFACE POSTITIONING) it says:
Does that mean that a Swinger should adjust his clubface to the selected Hinge Action at Address by rotating his Plane Line? And that, for Horizontal Hinging, his Plane Line would have to be more open for longer shots and less open for shorter shots?
Thread-jacking?
If I said to "grip your Club like you grip your money".......and then say "like Phil Michelson" who is coerced into paying 63% of his earnings .......... then coerced into not talking about it ............
As for grip type:
I can still remember the day I changed from interlock to overlap grip.
I was on the 9th tee at Rancho Bernado, just south of Escondido Ca. That is just down 15 from where MikeO said he moved to.
But I digress- This is Farmers week at Torrey Pines which is also near-by. What a great place the south is, Watch for the ocean break though. I have a copy of the dvd from when Palmer-Player vs. Snead-Sanders was there.
What a view from the top of those clifs.
But, I now live back in NH, Not that far from where MikeO lived a few years ago.
It is BELOW ZERO here so cut me some slack because when it is that cold I need to move my fingers (read type) to keep them warm.
Questions?
HB
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As for grip type:
I can still remember the day I changed from interlock to overlap grip.
I was on the 9th tee at Rancho Bernado, just south of Escondido Ca. That is just down 15 from where MikeO said he moved to.
But I digress- This is Farmers week at Torrey Pines which is also near-by. What a great place the south is, Watch for the ocean break though. I have a copy of the dvd from when Palmer-Player vs. Snead-Sanders was there.
What a view from the top of those clifs.
But, I now live back in NH, Not that far from where MikeO lived a few years ago.
It is BELOW ZERO here so cut me some slack because when it is that cold I need to move my fingers (read type) to keep them warm.
Questions?
HB
When you changed to "Interlock",, was that on a Tuesday?
Well, this requires a 2 part answer:
"everyone" knows a thread is a thin piece of string-
AND
As I learned just the other day from Daryl- "jacking" is a form of steering.
Sooo
There is no physics in "thread jacking" because every engineer knows
- YOU CAN'T PUSH A STRING -
QED
HB
Cute!
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HP, grant me the serenity to accept what I cannot change, the courage to change what I can, and the wisdom to know the difference. Progress and not perfection is the goal every day!
When you changed to "Interlock",, was that on a Tuesday?
Ha! U are trying to trick me! I will have none of that! I changed FROM interlocking to overlap. But. Tuesday +/- sound right.
Phil M. is a good guy- I think PGA is "kinda" like NASCAR. Very dependent on sponsers and good will and does so-much for charity - do not make anyone mad. Just move to Florida, quietly, to the gulf coast then the ocean will be on the same side you remember.
The two sections are unrelated - so don't mix them.
Your section 7-2 quote is talking about changing impact alignments to control draw or fades. The term swingers in that quote should read "True Swingers". Doesn't answer your questions but keeps you on the right track.
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