Because he is already rotating hard. If you throw ONLY, yeah the R elbow would straighten. But remember he tried to fire hose hips at Startdown, which really cranked up the rotation, and his L side extension allows that rotation to get even faster. Pure PA4. Then at Release/hands hip height, he starts thinking fire that R arm in sidearm/undermine throwing manner.
IMO, the more of what he did in BS, the RFT, the longer the R elbow would be bent and closer to the R hip.
Remember this is a very fast motion. The R elbow suddenly straighten starting visually right at Rekease/shaft parallel in DS. From thereon it straightens slowly as the DS is very fast. His R arm and R wrist is very very straight in followthru. Note also that his shoulders don't turn/rotate as much in finish like Immelman for example and Tiger circa 2000. So I'd say it's more PA1 for Hogan from shaft parallel, but he's also still rotating due to the earlier hip turn crank.
It's not humanly possible to rotate hard enough from release to impact to prevent the right hand from moving farther and faster than the right shoulder, if he's throwing. He isn't throwing the right forearm, it's getting thrown. The right arm is straightening in the release interval, not because he's throwing, but because the LW is uncocking from rotational force.
Apparently you forgot how fast the motion is when you previously said that Hogan starts thinking at release point!
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His rotation slows down with the R arm throw, but it's too fast that you wont notice.look at his finish. It's very different compared to so done who really tries rotating the pivot thru impact (Immelman, Tiger 2000).
That R arm thrust puts so much power into the Release of the club that Hogan's pivot rotation doesn't slow down!
His rotation slows down with the R arm throw, but it's too fast that you wont notice.look at his finish. It's very different compared to so done who really tries rotating the pivot thru impact (Immelman, Tiger 2000).
That R arm thrust puts so much power into the Release of the club that Hogan's pivot rotation doesn't slow down!
It looks different only because he's on a shallower elbow plane!
It's all pivot thrust from release to impact and no right arm thrust of any kind. Any kind of throwing effort in the release interval would interfere with, not help, the freewheeling shaft.
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
It looks different only because he's on a shallower elbow plane!
It's all pivot thrust from release to impact and no right arm thrust of any kind. Any kind of throwing effort in the release interval would interfere with, not help, the freewheeling shaft.
The difference I'm referring to the way his shoulders turn past impact. His shoulders doesn't seem to turn fully up to its max limit, unlike Immelman. For me, this shows that he's not into pivot thrust anymore during release. His pivot at that time is just a byproduct of the earlier hip start at Startdown.
The 3 R hands thrust or slap doesn't interfere IMO, in fact I believe it helps release and throw out the shaft from parallel to targetline to inline.
Remember his shoulders turn quite steep during release thru impact, so his pivot doesn't help much in releasing the shaft.
And there's a bonus...he was able to release the shaft with power since 3 R hands is clearly stronger and faster, but also he was able to consistently square the face thru impact bec using the 3 R hands delays face closure.
The difference I'm referring to the way his shoulders turn past impact. His shoulders doesn't seem to turn fully up to its max limit, unlike Immelman. For me, this shows that he's not into pivot thrust anymore during release. His pivot at that time is just a byproduct of the earlier hip start at Startdown.
The 3 R hands thrust or slap doesn't interfere IMO, in fact I believe it helps release and throw out the shaft from parallel to targetline to inline.
Remember his shoulders turn quite steep during release thru impact, so his pivot doesn't help much in releasing the shaft.
And there's a bonus...he was able to release the shaft with power since 3 R hands is clearly stronger and faster, but also he was able to consistently square the face thru impact bec using the 3 R hands delays face closure.
Look at this -
Young Hogan in the 1st few Swings, 5 Lessons Hogan at around :37, old Hogan at 1:12, in every instance he makes a max rotation of the shoulders in the follow through up to his personal flexibility limit. If Immelman or anyone else goes farther, it's only because they are more flexible.
I don't quite know how to express how 180 degs wrong you are here. The shoulder rotation and lack of any right arm throwing action in the following is clear. The right arm moves at the same rate as the shoulder turn, which is not vertical as you say. You have decided you want to throw through impact and feel it's necessary to justify it by Hogan's Swing - you can certainly throw if you choose, others do it, but you'll have to look for a swing model which isn't cp.
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Originally Posted by MizunoJoe
Look at this -
Young Hogan in the 1st few Swings, 5 Lessons Hogan at around :37, old Hogan at 1:12, in every instance he makes a max rotation of the shoulders in the follow through up to his personal flexibility limit. If Immelman or anyone else goes farther, it's only because they are more flexible.
I don't quite know how to express how 180 degs wrong you are here. The shoulder rotation and lack of any right arm throwing action in the following is clear. The right arm moves at the same rate as the shoulder turn, which is not vertical as you say. You have decided you want to throw through impact and feel it's necessary to justify it by Hogan's Swing - you can certainly throw if you choose, others do it, but you'll have to look for a swing model which isn't cp.
Relax MJ......nobody is trying to justify something with Hogan. Hogan himself said 3 R hands for power. So I'm just trying to do what he said, his feels. Just trying to follow him. IMO, just turning his shoulders is not his feels/intent.
I'm not saying it's all 3 R hands. It's hip turn, and immediately thereafter shoulders, arms and hands. Actually when you do this you'll turn faster, but not as far as your shoulder turn flexibility allows.
Remember that Hogan's chest has no pecs at all, so his L arm is more across and nearer the R shoulder than most, which means his R elbow is more bent than most. And he swung really fast. So that R elbow looks more bent than most at any stage of the DS.
But look at how they unbend. They unbend later (since they're more bent before), but they really straighten forcefully thru impact and after until his hands are above his head. That wouldn't happen if you're just turning your shoulders/pivot.
If you just rotate your shoulders, and flat as what you believe, how do you think Hogan monitored the clubface and made sure it goes DTL that long, prolly longer than anyone in the game, and with such low hands and big PA3 angle at impact while turning so fast with lag maintained until hands in front of R thigh?
...nobody is trying to justify something with Hogan. Hogan himself said 3 R hands for power. So I'm just trying to do what he said, his feels. Just trying to follow him. IMO, just turning his shoulders is not his feels/intent. 
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