The Passive Pivot of the Lower Body

[purehitter]

When I see a golfer hit a driver 280-300 yards sitting on a chair it is obvious that the pivot of the lower body is not the major power source.

I believe the pivot of the lower body should be for impact accuracy only. The bigger or aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the harder it is to stay in balance and stay in sync with the circular motion of the hands and arms and the less accurate impact is.

The bigger and more aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the less accurate impact is period!

Some golfers like Tiger can time an aggressive pivot with the hands and arms at impact most of the time but we also see what happens when he doesn’t. Tiger just has a rare talent and a lot of luck when the driver is way off line. He will almost always have a shot to the green.

We are not like Tiger!!!


On the other hand it is easy to time the hands and arms with a more passive pivot of the lower body for accurate impact. Golfers should work hard on applying more power to the hands with a more passive pivot of the lower body. The more power you apply to the hands via the muscles of right arm and upper body the faster the club head moves and with a passive pivot of the lower body the more accurate impact is.

This is why Mike Austin was so long and straight.

The pivot of the lower body should only make room for the hands and arms to perform correct motion to the club on an incline plane, without disrupting club head speed and impact accuracy.


Saying this some golfers that read this will not be willing to give up the ideas of more power and club head speed through the pivot of the lower body and will continue to struggle with impact.

This pivot obsession is why the scores of weekend golfers will always be high and for many years to come.

Give up the bigger or aggressive pivot addiction and see what potential you really have as a golfer.

To Better Golf,

John W Rohan-Weaver G.S.E.M.

[Delaware Golf]

When I see a golfer hit a driver 280-300 yards sitting on a chair it is obvious that the pivot of the lower body is not the major power source.

I believe the pivot of the lower body should be for impact accuracy only. The bigger or aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the harder it is to stay in balance and stay in sync with the circular motion of the hands and arms and the less accurate impact is.

The bigger and more aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the less accurate impact is period!

Some golfers like Tiger can time an aggressive pivot with the hands and arms at impact most of the time but we also see what happens when he doesn’t. Tiger just has a rare talent and a lot of luck when the driver is way off line. He will almost always have a shot to the green.

We are not like Tiger!!!


On the other hand it is easy to time the hands and arms with a more passive pivot of the lower body for accurate impact. Golfers should work hard on applying more power to the hands with a more passive pivot of the lower body. The more power you apply to the hands via the muscles of right arm and upper body the faster the club head moves and with a passive pivot of the lower body the more accurate impact is.

This is why Mike Austin was so long and straight.

The pivot of the lower body should only make room for the hands and arms to perform correct motion to the club on an incline plane, without disrupting club head speed and impact accuracy.


Saying this some golfers that read this will not be willing to give up the ideas of more power and club head speed through the pivot of the lower body and will continue to struggle with impact.

This pivot obsession is why the scores of weekend golfers will always be high and for many years to come.

Give up the bigger or aggressive pivot addiction and see what potential you really have as a golfer.

To Better Golf,

John W Rohan-Weaver G.S.E.M.

Purehitter,

Did you study TGM with Tom Tomasello???

DG

[nuke99]

Joe Norwood says the same thing..

Though George Knudson, Stan UTLEY said otherwise.

" the hand are steering wheel, the legs are accelerators"


And I read from a real interesting article from golf digest,

Fire the hips to hit 110mph+. Data collected from 3d machines.

Personally... I find what P hit it on the nail on their Stack and Tilt DVD. What is the swing designed for? They claim Stack and tilt is designed to be very accurate and apply the maximum power. If they are to design a "distance " swing, they would have done it differently... interesting..

What are your thoughts on that Sir?

[purehitter]

Purehitter,

Did you study TGM with Tom Tomasello???

DG

Norrie Wright is who I worked with to become an authorized TGM instructor.

[cpwindow4]

Norrie Wright is who I worked with to become an authorized TGM instructor.

What they mean, IMOP is if your going to max out the upward thrust into a driver you would have a huge assent upward into a driver swing.

Sorry can't much TGM lingo about it.However your centers would be all Behind at the top of the swing.

[purehitter]

Joe Norwood says the same thing..

Though George Knudson, Stan UTLEY said otherwise.

" the hand are steering wheel, the legs are accelerators"


And I read from a real interesting article from golf digest,

Fire the hips to hit 110mph+. Data collected from 3d machines.

Personally... I find what P hit it on the nail on their Stack and Tilt DVD. What is the swing designed for? They claim Stack and tilt is designed to be very accurate and apply the maximum power. If they are to design a "distance " swing, they would have done it differently... interesting..

What are your thoughts on that Sir?

Joe Norwood, Bill Mehlhorn, Ernest Jones and many others have figured it out long before all the Hi-Tec 3-D machines we have today. As for the Golf Digest articles I would take that with a grain of salt. If they printed the True G.O.L.F. Motion we would only see a few more magazines. This is not what they are in business for and I think you and many on this forum know that. One of the best things to happen from the internet is the uncensored golf instruction available from many reliable sources and for magazines like golf digest they will no longer continue to fool the new golfer as he too has the internet to find instruction. Let’s hope he finds this forum.

[bts]

When I see a golfer hit a driver 280-300 yards sitting on a chair it is obvious that the pivot of the lower body is not the major power source.

Sounds like "When I see David Copperfield make himself float in the air it is obvious that he can fly."
"When I see the horizon at the sea it is obvious that the earth is flat."
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"Sitting on a chair"="passive lower body"?????????????

I believe the pivot of the lower body should be for impact accuracy only. The bigger or aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the harder it is to stay in balance and stay in sync with the circular motion of the hands and arms and the less accurate impact is.

The bigger and more aggressive the pivot of the lower body is the less accurate impact is period!

"This is why

Mike Austin was so long and straight"? Seem pretty aggressive (both action- and motion-wise) to me.

Some golfers like Tiger can time an aggressive pivot with the hands and arms at impact most of the time but we also see what happens when he doesn’t. Tiger just has a rare talent and a lot of luck when the driver is way off line. He will almost always have a shot to the green.

We are not like Tiger!!!

Anything wrong with

Tiger? An

his hip action and motion coming down. Doesn't seem passive at all.

The pivot of the lower body should only make room for the hands and arms to perform correct motion to the club on an incline plane, without disrupting club head speed and impact accuracy.

I see. So Mr. Austin's pivot is to "make room for the hands and arms to perform correct motion to the club on an incline plane, without disrupting club head speed and impact accuracy."

Saying this some golfers that read this will not be willing to give up the ideas of more power and club head speed through the pivot of the lower body and will continue to struggle with impact.

This pivot obsession is why the scores of weekend golfers will always be high and for many years to come.

Give up the bigger or aggressive pivot addiction and see what potential you really have as a golfer.

To Better Golf,

John W Rohan-Weaver G.S.E.M.

[pistol]

Sounds like "When I see David Copperfield make himself float in the air it is obvious that he can fly."
"When I see the horizon at the sea it is obvious that the earth is flat."
.
.
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"Sitting on a chair"="passive lower body"?????????????


"This is why

Mike Austin was so long and straight"? Seem pretty aggressive (both action- and motion-wise) to me.


Anything wrong with

Tiger? An

his hip action and motion coming down. Doesn't seem passive at all.


I see. So Mr. Austin's pivot is to "make room for the hands and arms to perform correct motion to the club on an incline plane, without disrupting club head speed and impact accuracy."

yinyang you put me to sleep as well with your comments towards purehitters posts as you seem to misinterpret what the man is saying. i suppose for the ungifted unathletic types you seem to lean in this direction you probably won't ever really understand what is being said

[david sandridge]

MacDonald's exercises seem to be arms, legs and feet focused. Little core strength.
Jeff Hulls Video in Gallery on 1st move down with the Ugh ! seems to be hips and core muscles.
Ben Doyle chips from feet.
"Sit Down" seems to be a core muscle function
Tiger's snapping the knee to extend the radius causes the throw out and down to be faster.
McHatton's constant motion to drag and produce throw out is caused by "golf hips"
All of my previous experience with Doyle, Tomasello, Sloan, Hebron McHatton, Schaeffer, Ness, and other TGM instructors has been focused on pivot. All of these guys are successful, smart, knowledgable and have accomplished students.!
It would seem to me that there has to be a balance and synchrony involved in the motion. I would hope that civility would be maintained and all you experts could discuss it in a meaningful way. All I know is that Ben and Greg constantly talk about having to work on the pivot.

[Yoda]

MacDonald's exercises seem to be arms, legs and feet focused. Little core strength.

Of the eleven MacDonald Exercises (Drills) http://www.lynnblakegolf.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4435, the first four and the last two concern the Body (Zone 1) and its rotation via the Pivot (Component #12). And specifically, Exercises #2 and #11 introduce the early and essential rotation via the core muscles of the hips and lower back (Components #14 and #15). So, more than half the drills emphasize the body's 'stacked and centered' address alignments and its subsequent rotation.

The other exercises introduce and coordinate the equally-essential movements of the Arms (Zone 2) and Hands (Zone 3).