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Originally Posted by nevermind
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Again, considering the starting point is always the Turned Shoulder Plane, how can the rear shoulder be moving on a TGM defined plane at startdown unless it is the Turned Shoulder Plane?
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Like you said it
starts at the TSP. There are many plane angles that can go through the same point. Some players move their right shoulder to a steeper plane immediately at startdown -- i.e. above the TSP.