The Tomasello Argument

[Delaware Golf]

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Yes, Tom really liked that Right Forearm procedure, but he knew about other procedures also. I worked with him many times.

He taught that Right Forearm procedure to many people, and many people liked it and had success with it. During his Advanced School... Tom demonstrated Classic Rope Handle Swinging, and Standard Hitting(he liked a Strong Double Action for Hitting), and could do both pretty well.

I believe the procedure Tom described in the Golf Illustrated Magazine, was the way he thought was probably the easiest way to play golf. The Right Forearm cocks Up and Down, and there is very little lateral motion of the Pivot.

Jodie Mudd was one of his famous students, but another one that did quite well was 2 time U.S. Senior Amateur Champion... Clarence Moore. Clarence used the Right Forearm Procedure when I saw him, and struck the ball beautifully. He would also use Standard Hitting at times, especially when he was between clubs.

Lagster,

I totally agree with the way Clarence Moore used the right forearm for swinging and hitting...I believe Tommy looked beyond just stroke patterns and recognized how TGM would impact playing golf with a user friendly right arm approach to the game.

Quality increases as we reduce variation in the system. The use of the Magic of the Right Forearm does just that...reduces variation.

DG

[YodasLuke]

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact.

I appreciate your dedication to keeping Tomasello's views alive. It shows a lot of respect for your mentor. It's the same respect that I'll show to Lynn if he passes in another 900 years.

But, I don't agree with the quote above. The bent right wrist is not an "out-of-line" condition that's seeking an "in-line" condition. Now, the straightening of the right elbow, on the other hand, can be delayed. And, this would require the right shoulder getting closer to the ball via the hip slide.

[Delaware Golf]

I appreciate your dedication to keeping Tomasello's views alive. It shows a lot of respect for your mentor. It's the same respect that I'll show to Lynn if he passes in another 900 years.

But, I don't agree with the quote above. The bent right wrist is not an "out-of-line" condition that's seeking an "in-line" condition. Now, the straightening of the right elbow, on the other hand, can be delayed. And, this would require the right shoulder getting closer to the ball via the hip slide.

Ted,

Please provide TGM references to support your arguement?

In the meantime, watch Tommy's Chapter series 1 video on the "Pivot" and the Tomasello Letter number 2 video, I believe watching those two videos will clear up your confusion. Please take the time to watch those two videos before responding. Thanks. As Joe Perry of Aerosmith wrote the song "Let the Music do the Talking", in this case, I'll let the videos do the talking from the man himself.


DG

[Yoda]

It's the same respect that I'll show to Lynn if he passes in another 900 years.

Somehow...

I feel better now.



I think.

Only that first 900 years passed awfully fast!

[Mike O]

I appreciate your dedication to keeping Tomasello's views alive. It shows a lot of respect for your mentor. It's the same respect that I'll show to Lynn if he passes in another 900 years.

But, I don't agree with the quote above. The bent right wrist is not an "out-of-line" condition that's seeking an "in-line" condition. Now, the straightening of the right elbow, on the other hand, can be delayed. And, this would require the right shoulder getting closer to the ball via the hip slide.

Bagger or BamBam,
I believe that Mr. Fort is calling Lynn OLD- certainly could be trash talking- this is out of line- Ya! YOUR OLD TED! Take that!

[Bagger Lance]

You looking for a "get out of jail free" card Mike O?
Nope, ain't buy'in it.

[Mike O]

You looking for a "get out of jail free" card Mike O?
Nope, ain't buy'in it.

Ah- BamBam - good old buddy - where are ya? Bam? .....Please:

Hey, by the way - I'm clicking on the eusa prayer emoticon and getting the icon prayer emoticon- Who's been mess'n with my emoticons!! This is either Bucket, Bagger or Fort- I know it! Heads are going to roll!

[bambam]

Ah- BamBam - good old buddy - where are ya? Bam? .....Please:

Sorry, Mike. I'm not gonna get into it with Bagger; I hear them Texas fellers are pretty tough and easily riled.

By the way, your pray icon should be working. Not naming names, but I found some greasy fingerprints and an empty KFC container in our smilie administration area

[Delaware Golf]

Back to Golf...

I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.

To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...

Last paragraph of 2-N-O.

Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."

After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???

DG

[tradekid]

Back to Golf...

I have often wondered where Tom Tomasello came up with the comments in his 1991 Golf Illustrated interview where he says...

Tomasello: Yes. The delayed hit is merely keeping the right wrist bent through impact. All that stuff about leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong! It seems to be what's happening, but it's not really what happens in the most efficient, centifugal-force swing there is no forward motion by any part of the body. There are just the two "force vectors" I've described.

To say "leading the downswing with a lateral move of the lower body, driving the hips and legs toward the target to retain power--it's all terribly wrong!" That's a pretty bold statement...however, I was reading the seventh edition over the weekend and discovered the last paragraph of 2-N-O had been revised...after reading this section I'm starting to understand where the comments from Tomasello may have come from...

Last paragraph of 2-N-O.

Proper Clubhead control is dependent on coordinationg the complete Hip Turn with the selected Right Elbow Position (10-3), Motion (6-B-1), and Path (7-3) to avoid collisions as well as for Balance and Axis Tilt. (See 7-15.) To accomplish both the Backstroke and Downstroke must be executed as 7-3, 10-3 and 10-5-0 discuss that procedure."

After listening to my private lesson tapes with Tomasello over the last few months, I have come to the conclusion that in no way was Tomasello trying to reinvent TGM. It's interesting that the above statement from Homer references 7-3....Magic of the Right Forearm???

DG

All I know is whenever my swing starts to go sideways all I need to do is go back and view Tommy T's vids and get out my short training club. Magic of the Right Forearm, 1 to 2, 2 to 3 etc. Throw in a some Mark Evershed ("Swing left and get everything else for free") and I'm back. Put your mind in your hands. Sequence the arms. Bent right wrist, horizontal hinge, finish swivel. It's all there. You don't have to worry about sliding, turning, weight shift etc. It's a beautiful thing!