How Do I Start the Club Back?

[Daryl]

I prefer Stuart Appleby's "right forearm takeaway" action.

That's a right Biceps/shoulder turn takeaway. No extensor action, maybe a slight fanning.

[Jeff]

Daryl

I have no idea why you state that Stuart Appleby is not applying extensor action throughout his backswing. His left arm is continuously straight throughout the entire backswing and the straight left arm acts as checkrein on his right upper limb's movement. Although the major right humeral movement is an external rotation of the right humeral head within the right shoulder socket (while the right shoulder socket is moving back to the TSP), there is always a small amount of right arm abduction occurring at the same time. Abduction of the right arm (while the right elbow is bending) is responsible for extensor action. I think that the amount of right arm abduction required to apply extensor action depends on the checkrein action of the straight left arm complex - which consists of the i) the left arm and ii) the amount of "give" within the left shoulder socket (amount of attainable laxity between the left humeral head and the glenoid fossa) and iii) the amount the left scapula slides forward during left shoulder rotation. Golfers who have great flexibility (great ability to slide the left scapula forward and great ability to widen the space between the left humeral head and the glenoid fossa) will require a greater amount of right shoulder abduction per unit time - in order to maintain a constant level of extensor action throughout the backswing.

Jeff.

[Daryl]

Daryl

I have no idea why you state that Stuart Appleby is not applying extensor action throughout his backswing. His left arm is continuously straight throughout the entire backswing and the straight left arm acts as checkrein on his right upper limb's movement. Although the major right humeral movement is an external rotation of the right humeral head within the right shoulder socket (while the right shoulder socket is moving back to the TSP), there is always a small amount of right arm abduction occurring at the same time. Abduction of the right arm (while the right elbow is bending) is responsible for extensor action. I think that the amount of right arm abduction required to apply extensor action depends on the checkrein action of the straight left arm complex - which consists of the i) the left arm and ii) the amount of "give" within the left shoulder socket (amount of attainable laxity between the left humeral head and the glenoid fossa) and iii) the amount the left scapula slides forward during left shoulder rotation. Golfers who have great flexibility (great ability to slide the left scapula forward and great ability to widen the space between the left humeral head and the glenoid fossa) will require a greater amount of right shoulder abduction per unit time - in order to maintain a constant level of extensor action throughout the backswing.

Jeff.

Hi Jeff,

Well, I just finished running your reply through my book of anatomy "translation matrix" and just as I suspected, he has no extensor action. In fact, he hardly Fans his right forearm. Look how his right upper arm and forearm are practically at 90 degrees to his torso at the top of his Backstroke.

He uses "Flexion Action". He pushes with the left arm and simultaneously does a biceps curl with his right arm to raise the club to the Top of his backstroke. This keeps his elbow at his side throughout the backstroke so that his Pivot Controlled Hands will uncock the Right Elbow the correct amount during release and Impact while he flings the club in-line with his right forearm after impact.

He doesn't let that elbow get more that a few inches away from his elbow plane pivot controlled hands release. The only checkrein he has is his pivot knowing not to let that elbow get too far away.

I hope he doesn't read this.

Is he a Right Arm Swinger?

Anyway, great hand-eye coordination.

Regards,
Daryl

[addamsmith]

Guy
I just wanted to say thanks,
This is one of the best Takeaway Threads I have ever read.
BTW
Daryl Thanks for great breakdown and Diagrams of The Takeaway.
How can I get a copy of the diagrams(drawing that you did).
Is there any chance you could send them to me please.
addampga@bigpond.net.au
Keep up the great work guys
Regards
Addam

[KevCarter]

Guy
I just wanted to say thanks,
This is one of the best Takeaway Threads I have ever read.
BTW
Daryl Thanks for great breakdown and Diagrams of The Takeaway.
How can I get a copy of the diagrams(drawing that you did).
Is there any chance you could send them to me please.
addampga@bigpond.net.au
Keep up the great work guys
Regards
Addam

Good to see you here Addam!!!

Kevin

[addamsmith]

Hi Kevin
I love this place
Regards
Addam

[addamsmith]

And Also a BIG THANK YOU to the Member that sent me the Diagrams to my Email I really appreciate it alot.
Thank you
Addam

[KOC]

And Also a BIG THANK YOU to the Member that sent me the Diagrams to my Email I really appreciate it alot.
Thank you
Addam

What kind of diagram?

[bts]

I keep rotating my Shoulders and keep my Left Arm straight to pull/drive the Power Accumulators and Club to the Top, during which the momentum of the Club gradually folds the Right Arm, turns both Forearms, cocks the Left Wrist, bends the Right Wrist and raises the Left Arm.

[Daryl]

I keep rotating my Shoulders and keep my Left Arm straight to pull/drive the Power Accumulators and Club to the Top, during which the momentum of the Club gradually folds the Right Arm, turns both Forearms, cocks the Left Wrist, bends the Right Wrist and raises the Left Arm.

I’m shocked.

But if I can ask a couple of questions.

1) Your Swing Plane is determined by waist bend?
2) When does your elbow stop bending?
3) Doesn’t your Right Elbow Tend to be too high at release?
4) How do you control the amount of elbow bend to have your right forearm on plane at release?
5) Don’t your hands actually stay lower at the top of the swing when you bend your right elbow in this manner?
6) Does your Right Elbow get closer to your side at the Top?
7) If the above is true, then don’t you skip an acceleration stage? Arm/Hand?
Do you tend to take deep divots?
9) Do you feel like there is a Flip (Kink) in your wrists at release if you’re off plane a little?
10) How do you stop from cocking your right wrist?

Thanks