Thanks again for all the great video!
I need to see the down the line view to comment on the right forearm. Nearly all the tour guys have their right forearms above the plane approaching impact.
Thanks again for all the great video!
I need to see the down the line view to comment on the right forearm. Nearly all the tour guys have their right forearms above the plane approaching impact.
No DTL views - what struck me was the way in which Allenby and Johnson really seem to drive their right forearms through impact whereas Dougherty and Donald seem to lose their right elbow flex through impact...right forearm traces a plane line which appears to go to right field...Allenby and Johnson right forearms trace more target line...more hip motion..less stalling - or maybe just stalling hips later ?
Donald and Dougherty have more of the "cross over" release...big gap between right elbow and hip through impact...Allenby and Johnson keep the elbow and right hip much closer through impact...
The timing of "both arms straight" is much sooner after impact for Donald and Dougherty than for Johnson and Allenby - irrespective of the apparent clubface variations (hinge action).
I will do a montage of the the specifics that I have seen to see if anyone else agrees...I think that the driven right forearm through (or at least to impact) is a sign of "on plane" right forearm...you can't drive something effectively unless it is on plane IMO.
Selection of right forearms from release to follow through.
Whilst there may be debate as to the physics of an on plane right forearm (ie. can it really help resist deceleration at impact as HK states ...another thread)...there seems to be ALIGNMENT benefits from having a driven forearm through impact...Donald and Dougherty seem to have little drive through impact...all release...early crossover of forearms...clubface looks like it needs to be "timed" rather than driven...their right elbow straighten really quickly after impact IMO.
Selection of right forearms from release to follow through.
Whilst there may be debate as to the physics of an on plane right forearm (ie. can it really help resist deceleration at impact as HK states ...another thread)...there seems to be ALIGNMENT benefits from having a driven forearm through impact...Donald and Dougherty seem to have little drive through impact...all release...early crossover of forearms...clubface looks like it needs to be "timed" rather than driven...their right elbow straighten really quickly after impact IMO.
Great thread golfbulldog,
One observation after viewing these videos in slo-mo many times is that after the Right Elbow is Driven to Release, whether On-Plane or not; most of the golfers tend to freeze it at that location through the Release interval. Then the Right Elbow is carried by the Turning Pivot to Impact as the Right Forearm unfolds.
I think that this is necessary if one swings by Unfolding or Straightening the Right Arm from the Top to Impact. This is what a Non-Structured Power Package does. The Right Elbow becomes glued to the Side or in front of the Right Hip and becomes the Center of the Clubhead Radius. An Industry is Built on this. It's called the PGA. Golfers all around the World are making a Great living swinging that way.
Homer would call this a "Right Arm Throw" or a "Hand Throw" if it remained a Left Arm Swing. But why didn't he name this ever-present "Power Package Action". Why does he simply wash over it by naming the Pattern "Right Arm Swinging"? He said it was Valid.
I think we have to ask ourselves, "ought, should, and 'is-it-possible' that the Right Elbow be Driven to an On-Plane location and then remain Driving Down, forward and out simultaneously (meaning: On-Plane) through Impact and to both Arms Straight?"
Ought one do it? (Is it Viable? Repeatable? Controllable? Is it Better?) On one Hand we have Homer Kelley, on the other we have the PGA.
Should one do it? (is there a better way? Can it be learned ?)
How does one do it? That's the easy question to answer. (Extensor Action to Structure the Power Package)
I will do a montage of the the specifics that I have seen to see if anyone else agrees...I think that the driven right forearm through (or at least to impact) is a sign of "on plane" right forearm...you can't drive something effectively unless it is on plane IMO.
Ryo Ishikawa seems to drive the right forearm yet he is above plane? Very few guys have the right forearm on plane on the downswing.
I wondered about that too...just not sure though...
Gary Player discussing Tiger's elbow at impact sort of comes into this IMO:
Alot of the commentators really rate Allenby for ball-striking and his forearm definitely looks different to many other players.
Appleby is one of the few if not the only one with the right forearm on plane. Hogan was on plane, Tiger gets close, some recent swings from Sean O'Hair are close.
Daryl, I think that the players who retain a sense of right forearm drive after release are the ones who usually have some pivot left in them at that stage...
I am making a comparison of Garcia and Ellebye - 2 guys who retain alot of accumulator lag until hands are waist high on the downswing...but they deal with the lag very differently through release to both arms straight.
Garcia has a big pivot move from hands at waist level to shaft horizontal to the ground...drives his forearm into great position...and he still has a bit of pivot left through impact...
Ellebye has smaller pivot move throughout the whole equivalent period...almost gets pivot frost it is so frozen...
Will post it when youtube has finished cooking it!
Would value any thoughts on the differences, thanks.
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